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Newish, not 40-50 years old.How nice?
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Newish, not 40-50 years old.How nice?
Just means your friend doesn't fly for fun much. The cheaper to rent vs cheaper to own math depends on the type airplane and how many hours a year. If nothing else, consider that flight schools need to show a small profit and their maintenance costs are higher than owner flown.I think that's a little off the mark I knew a few people that owned their own planes and it was basically like owning another house... with what they had invested in their plane, storage, the ongoing maintenance and all that stuff....
I have one friend who has ATP license (he can literally fly anything fixed wing, barring type certification of course) and probably could easily afford his own aircraft but still won't do it. When he wants to fly for fun he just rents something. That's pretty telling..... this ain't like owning a boat or a sports car, it's a whole other planet.
Wow. What a smokin' deal.
Nashua (ASH) to Friendly, MD (VKX) (Near DC) is only $4520 round trip, if you go both ways on the same day. Stay a day or so, and the fare jumps to the low, low, price of only $7900.
I'm pretty sure for that amount of money, I can fly First Class, and even spring for a Flight Attendant to fly face down in my lap for the entire flight.
Just means your friend doesn't fly for fun much. The cheaper to rent vs cheaper to own math depends on the type airplane and how many hours a year. If nothing else, consider that flight schools need to show a small profit and their maintenance costs are higher than owner flown.
It brings out the experts here. To pontificate.I love hypothetical questions NOT
Totally agree. Helps to have a wife that is also a pilot.My point was you gotta want it badly enough to set the cash on fire. There's nothing practical or inexpensive about it, you have to want it, badly.
-Mike
I think that's a little off the mark I knew a few people that owned their own planes and it was basically like owning another house... with what they had invested in their plane, storage, the ongoing maintenance and all that stuff....
I have one friend who has ATP license (he can literally fly anything fixed wing, barring type certification of course) and probably could easily afford his own aircraft but still won't do it. When he wants to fly for fun he just rents something. That's pretty telling..... this ain't like owning a boat or a sports car, it's a whole other planet.
I am.I haven't been to one in twice that long but you can't get a smile from a waitress for a $5 bill so I don't think a dollar will get more than a drink kicked in your face at a strip club.....
THEY CLOSED THE FOXY LADY! We aren't in Kansas anymore.
Thanks a lot! Jack.
I'm a pilot. I used to own my own plane. Believe me, you don't want to own a plane, or even join a plane share if your only desire is for transportation.
Flying requires a lot of commitment. It needs to be something you crave. Something in your belly. To be safe requires time and money. A pilot who flies once a month is generally not nearly as safe a pilot as he would be if he flew once per week. Flying is a very perishable skill. You need to do it to stay proficient.
Before I had kids I used to fly 2-3x per week. When people asked me if I was a good pilot, I'd tell them that my decision making could use some improvement but that I was a "good stick" simply because I went up and practiced at least once per week.
That means not just taking off and flying somewhere. It means doing stalls, turns around a point, power off landings, etc. These are drills that force you to operate at the edges of an airplane's flight envelope. They build skill.
Imagine if you shot 2-3 times per week and about once per month you went up to Sig and did a day class with them. Same thing.
Back to the original subject.
This is a typical example of Mass people making up a problem where one doesn't exist. Fly with your guns. If you happen to land in NY for some reason, do not retrieve your guns, explain it to the airline and they will see that they are taken care of. End of story. close the thread.
Who flies better -I got my private ticket back when a C150 rented for $18/hr wet. Good times. Jack.
Megan is my parrot. How did you know that? Anyway, I don't have her wings clipped and she has the run of the house when I'm home. She does good two point landings. Jack.Who flies better -
you or Megan?
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This is a typical example of Mass people making up a problem where one doesn't exist. Fly with your guns. If you happen to land in NY for some reason, do not retrieve your guns, explain it to the airline and they will see that they are taken care of. End of story. close the thread.
(I think you named her in the Avian Pedicurist Wanted thread).Megan is my parrot. How did you know that? Anyway, I don't have her wings clipped and she has the run of the house when I'm home. She does good two point landings. Jack.
I don't believe you. I use my plane almost exclusively for transportation - I pretty much never just go bore holes in the sky. To each his own.
Actually, a NH resident. Y’all from MA get me scared about crossing our borders.
Gotcha. I've got my commercial single/multi/instrument. It is extremely rare for me to cancel a flight for weather. Ice is the only thing that is a problem for me in my current plane.I used it for transportation. But didn't own it primarily as a transportation tool. It was a toy. When I planned to use it for transportation, I needed to be very flexible on schedule. We went to NH, VT, the cape, teh islands, OH, MS. Shoot, I even flew my little RV4 into Dulles once to go to the Udvar Hazy museum. But it was done with a mindset that we would reschedule if things didn't look good.
Did you have an instrument rating?? I do not. That makes a huge difference. But in that case all the dollar estimates people are using need to increase.
I'm not going to fly in the clouds in a rented 172 with 35 year old steam gauges.
To put it in perspective. A crappy 172 with steam gauges may rent for 125/hr wet. A decent 172 with a Garmin panel is 180/hr wet.
About 1 in 500 flights is rerouted in total. Of those a majority are a temporary stop for something like a medical emergency, and the flight then resumes.
This type of event is actually rather rare.
Gotcha. I've got my commercial single/multi/instrument. It is extremely rare for me to cancel a flight for weather. Ice is the only thing that is a problem for me in my current plane.
About 1 in 500 flights is rerouted in total. Of those a majority are a temporary stop for something like a medical emergency, and the flight then resumes.
This type of event is actually rather rare.
Oh shoot. We're not even in the same league then. Thunderstorms, TFRs and Ice are all that can stop you. Ha.
When I got my RV, I did some IFR training. The problem is that the RV is not a good instrument platform, even though I have an EFIS and could have made it IFR legal by replacing the VFR GPS with an instrument rated one. Its neutrally stable in roll and yaw and marginally positively stable in pitch.
Agility and stability are opposite ends of the same set of traits. My plane is agile. What makes it fun also makes it a piss poor instrument platform.
This is when I decided to become the best VFR pilot I could be and began flying formation with 2 ex-Air Force instructor pilots. It was great fun. I was working on getting my flying up to the practical test standards for a Commercial ticket (they do issue VFR Commercial tickets) when my wife got pregnant and I gave up flying for the most part.
I dated a bird expert once,she told me she’s had a cockatoo.(I think you named her in the Avian Pedicurist Wanted thread).
When she wants to get to the floor,
does she ever lean over the edge of the table and leap like a bridge jumper,
and then poof her wings out at the very last second?
The Bride's cockatiel used to do that routine - quite an act...