Florida Town hall on HealthCare canceled due to violence,

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/tampa-town-hall-on-health_n_253478.html

Note: Several hours after this story was posted on Thursday night, the Tampa Tribune removed a reference to protesters carrying signs that depicted President Obama as the Joker. Yet one conservative blogger who attended the event reports seeing several people "with signs depicting President Obama as the Joker."

Police officers were called to calm down an unruly crowd outside a health care reform town hall meeting in downtown Tampa, Florida on Thursday evening, according to local news reports.

Angry protesters screamed, yelled and banged on windows as officers hurried to guard the entrances to the facility, where U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor was trying to discuss the various health care reform proposals being debated in Congress. One photojournalist said that a fistfight broke out inside the building, reports WTSP.

Many of the hundreds of protesters said that they had been inspired by a conservative activist group promoted by Fox News host Glenn Beck and some received emails from the county Republican party, according to the St. Petersburg Times:

Instead, hundreds of vocal critics turned out, many of them saying they had been spurred on through the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative radio and television personality Glenn Beck. Others had received e-mails from the Hillsborough Republican party that urged people to speak out against the plan and offered talking points to challenge supporters.
The Times added:

The spectacle at the Children's Board in Ybor City sounded more like a wrestling cage match than a panel discussion on national policy, and it was just the latest example of a health care meeting disrupted by livid protesters.
The Tampa Tribune reports that some protesters carried racist caricatures of President Obama and added details of more fights and scuffles:

Several of the protesters' signs bore an image of Obama with his face painted as the Joker, an image that drew protests of racism locally when it appeared on a Web site thought to be associated with the Pinellas Republican party.

There were at least two scuffles between protesters trying to enter and organizers manning the doors.

One of those involved in a scuffle, Randy Arthur, of Oldsmar said he was injured by those manning the doors and said he would file a police report... Randy Arthur, who owns an air conditioning service company, later talked to police officers, his knit shirt ripped and a few scratches visible on his chest. "They slammed him into the wall,'' Kathy Arthur said.
 

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I've watched pretty much every video on youtube I could find to try and see what happened and this is basically how it went down.

They let like maybe 20 people in ahead of time. Of course these people got front row seats.

The room it was being held in held 200 people per the city's fire code.

The overwhelming majority was still in opposition to healthcare reform.

Some people got rowdy.

Some people were thrown out.

2000 people were left outside because the room was filled to capacity.

Now I'm not for healthcare reform but if the room is filled to capacity then it creates a safety issue to allow more people in. If some people are being overly disruptive then the organizers have the right to remove them. Also, it is within the oppositions rights to protest. There were points when you could hardly hear the Senator. I wouldn't even have a problem if the protesters broke the door down and surrounded the Senator and yelled in her face but they have to be willing to deal with the consequences. This is a non-issue. The problem was they held an event and expected a certain number of people to show up and ten times as many people showed up and the protestors were upset there wasn't enough room for them.
 
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Ya know...at first I was mad as hell at being categorized as part of a mob. Madder than a hatter at being called employed by insurance companies and really ticked at being accused of being riled up by the Republican party. Then I started thinking about it a bit more, and I heard the commercial that the DNC made saying we're just being riled up by the Republicans and the mouthpieces (i,e, Rush, etc) and something occured to me. It's not JUST the R's that are mad. There's a number of D's that are PO'd too. And guess what? They know they haven't been hired by the insurancec companies, they KNOW they aren't part of a mob, and they bloody well know they haven't been stirred up by any republican.

All in all, let them call us things and make accusations. People will get madder and madder because they'll hear the BS coming FROM the very party they're registered with. Yeah - the line of PO'd people will continue to grow.
I like it. [smile]
 
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I can't wait for November of next year. It will be a political bloodbath......[smile]
 
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The only spurring on I have heard Glenn Beck say is go peaceably to these meetings and voice your concerns about the socialization of America. It's the radical Left that resorts to intimidation and the suppression of the 1st amendment.
 

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I can't wait for November of next year. It will be a political bloodbath......[smile]
I sure hope so... [thinking]

The rate at which we are moving to a totalitarian state and politicians openly mocking, ignoring, belittling their constituency's anger and opposition is getting pretty frightening...
 
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Oh, the ultimately irony.

If they want to continue to call themselves *Democrats* then they ought to stop discounting the dissenters. After all, if more than 50% are against socialized/national medicine program, then I guess it should fail, right? RIGHT? Aren't Democrats supposed to worship "tyranny of the majority"? [rofl]
 
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A (still) very republican state, high population of older folks, and then stage it in Ybor City "rich in Spanish and Cuban culture"? Too funny!!

Ah well, when the dust settles they could all light up their cigars as Ybor City is still often referred to as the "Cigar Capital of the World" - and according to a fellow NES'er makes the best cigars he has ever smoked....!![smile][wink]
 

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"Arming and training the masses" is the Administration's next step.

But the "masses" will be the astroturfed ACORN and SEIU brownshirt armies.
 
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I wonder if we'd see the same response from our 18th century colonists. Do you think they'd already had enough? I'm pretty sure most of those robber baron Democrats would have already come out tarred and feathered.
 
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It would be a fascinating experiment...

All sorts of liability questions, the lawyers would likely never let anyone established do it...
Is there a law actually preventing you from giving people guns? I mean, if I had the money, could I get some of my friends, family, and neighbors into a saftey class, through licensing, and FFL each of them an AR-15 as a gift? I wonder how that would work out...
 

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Is there a law actually preventing you from giving people guns? I mean, if I had the money, could I get some of my friends, family, and neighbors into a saftey class, through licensing, and FFL each of them an AR-15 as a gift? I wonder how that would work out...
In MA? You cannot "give" someone a gun without them having the appropriate license (LTC-A for a large capacity gun)...

Once they have LTC's AFAIK, through an FFL, you could buy them as many guns as you like - understanding that you may get a call from the ATF buying that many all at once and the resultant forms filled out by the gun shop...

private transfers would be limited by the FA-10 rules regardless of family unless they were transferred as part of an estate (i.e. you die)... But, again, IIRC, the FFL could transfer as many as you like to your LTC holding relatives...

Out in the free world, there's nothing stopping my little experiment at all...

In theory, you wouldn't even need to do the background check, but personally, I would...
 

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Florida is no stranger to such issues. Remember what happened during the elections on 2000 Bush vs. Gore. The problem with Florida is that there are many different cultures and all of them think they are right and everyone else is wrong. In Florida there are a big % of Hispanic people and even if all of them think the same, just to not be in agreement with the rest, they will make a stupid “war” between them (Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, etc). On top of that, Florida has a huge % of people over 75-80 years old who don’t give a crap about anything but their selves.

Welcome to Florida, another day in paradise :)

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Is there a law actually preventing you from giving people guns? I mean, if I had the money, could I get some of my friends, family, and neighbors into a saftey class, through licensing, and FFL each of them an AR-15 as a gift? I wonder how that would work out...
In MA you'd just have to go through an FFL. In NH no need for any classes, FFL's, etc. Just hand them the guns! [smile]
 
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