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Judge instructs jury to dress up

By Associated Press

BOSTON- Jury instructions are common in any courtroom. But in Judge Raymond Brassard's courtroom, there's an extra request of jurors: dress up.

The 59-year-old Suffolk Superior judge says jury service is a "serious occasion," and that the whole system benefits from formal dressware.

For more than a decade he's been asking male jurors to wear a necktie. Last week, he made the request to a jury hearing the case of a man accused of shooting two Boston police officers. That jury included three men. He urged the 13 female jurors to dress appropriately.

"The whole system of law benefits when people walking into a courtroom _ witnesses, spectators, defendants _ look at the jury box and see that it's not just the lawyers who are formally dressed," Brassard told The Boston Globe.

Marisela Ramirez, a family advocate in the Suffolk district attorney's office, said she agrees. She has seen jurors show up in tank tops and sneakers.

"Being in a tie and shirt changes the whole jury's mindset," she said. "These are serious cases. It requires people to be serious and to look it."

Not everyone agrees, however. David Gontaruk, a real estate agent and juror on a recent murder trial before Brassard, said he chose not to wear the tie because ties make him uncomfortable. And he said he already gave up five weeks of his life to serve.

"Quite frankly, I felt, I'm already doing the commonwealth a favor," he said.

Veteran Boston criminal defense attorney John C. Taylor told the Globe that he's more concerned about jurors paying attention to testimony than about dressware.

"I remember when we were a free country," he said, adding "There might be people on the jury who don't know how to do a Windsor knot or a four-in-hand."

Brassard said he doesn't "pester them about it" and added that he has no specific advice for what women should wear. He said he's never hear a complaint.

JT
 
I ALWAYS go to jury duty dressed in torn jeans, a stained shirt that says I HATE EVERYONE!

Gets me out every time! :D
 
I don't know. I believe that you should pay respect to the courts when you are in there.

Don't wear a hat, and dress nice... Should it be forced? I don't know if I agree with that. But it comes down to when people start abusing leniencies in things, then I think that you need to enforce something.

I don't think that it's approiate to go to court in jeans and a tank top. But I don't think that if you're a juror you should have to wear a three piece suit.

I would think that they would want the jurors to be comfortable so they CAN pay attention. Wearing a tie might not do that for some people. It might make some think more about how their neck is bothering them.

I would say Business casual. Khakis and a golf shirt should be nice enough...

But I do think that they shouldn't be walking in there dressed like they were getting ready to go to the beach.
 
Good for the judge!

I'm tired of seeing slobs everywhere, particularly in church and court. The fact that these people come to court, church and school looking like they just rolled out of bed, mowed the lawn or changed the oil on their car indicates to me that they have no respect whatsoever for the proceedings.

Put another way, do YOU want some slob who has obviously has no respect for the proceedings, concern for the consequences to the parties or even simple courtesy of dressing for the trial deciding YOUR fate?

Requesting that men wear a tie is hardly a demand that they come attired in "three-piece suits." It is a minimal request and those unable - or unwilling - to manage such simple compliance are probably expendable as jurors.

Let them stay at home eating cheese curls and watching Jerry Springer - they're probably hoping for their own guest shot....
 
Scrivener, I was just using one extreem and the other.

I do think that for most people, a tie is too much. I don't mind wearing a tie. I have alomst 60 ties in my closet. I like them.

But I do know that most people do not like wearing them. And when you think about the people that are on jury duty, I would think that 80% aren't used to wearing ties. I would want them to be thinking about me, and not thier neck, or how uncomfy they are.

But that's just me.
 
I'd dress up more than I do to go into the office.

Then again, I'm wearing sweatpants and a long sleve T-shirt and my slippers at the moment.... (^_^)

Well, it is MY home and MY office... (^_^)

If I had Jury duty today, I'd have worn the following:

Nautica boxers (pattern will depend on that I grabbed)
Ralph Loren Polo straight front khaki pants in Charcoal
Cabela's Cotton Fatigue Sweater in natural Heather
Lands End Comfort socks in black
Mitch Rosen belt (as always, but with an 'empty' feeling)
Sketchers Leather Clogs (match the belt)
LL Bean 'barn coat' with wool lining with a green cotton exterior shell.
Beaver Creek Hat Co. 5X Bever pelt western hat - brown.
 
Take a look at all the Founding Fathers in the portraits of the Continental Congress, etc. They all are wearing wigs! I think we can at least wear ties when in court.
 
Chris said:
I'd dress up more than I do to go into the office.

Then again, I'm wearing sweatpants and a long sleve T-shirt and my slippers at the moment.... (^_^)

Well, it is MY home and MY office... (^_^)

If I had Jury duty today, I'd have worn the following:

Nautica boxers (pattern will depend on that I grabbed)
Ralph Loren Polo straight front khaki pants in Charcoal
Cabela's Cotton Fatigue Sweater in natural Heather
Lands End Comfort socks in black
Mitch Rosen belt (as always, but with an 'empty' feeling)
Sketchers Leather Clogs (match the belt)
LL Bean 'barn coat' with wool lining with a green cotton exterior shell.
Beaver Creek Hat Co. 5X Bever pelt western hat - brown.

Ummmmm I think you put too much thought into your wardrobe.

Every morning I do the following while getting dressed.
Top drawer grab whatever underwear and socks are on the top.
Second drawer grab whatever shirt is on top.
Third drawer grab whatever pants are on top.
Get dressed and grab either sweatshirt or flannel whatever is closest to me in the closet.

So today that leaves me wearing the following.
Dr. Seuss 'one fish two fish red fish blue fish' boxers
Haines ankle cut black socks
White, Four Seasons T-shirt (with the lovely Holly on the back)
Levis somewhat faded blue jeans
Blue and white Levis flannel shirt
Black Sketchers shoes

DONE!

Adam
 
My long ago experience as a teacher taught me that people tend to act like they dress.

I have to agree with Scrivner here regarding attire.

Put another way, how would you react to a defendant who wore jeans and a T-shirt, or even business casual ?

If you are figedty wearing a tie, my best guess is that your shirt collar is 1/2 size too small, and/or you have tied your tie too tight.

I was irritated by the one person in the article, a real estate broker, who said that he had given the courts enough for five weeks. Well, jury duty is a civic responsibility. Bragging about not getting selected for jury duty, demonstrates a lack of civic responsibilty which is ironic because so much written on this forum deals with how responsible gun owners are, and how we support the constitution and all of that. Jury duty goes back to common law and is one of the things that seperate us from a lot of other countries.

Respectfully,

Mark
 
I agree that showing up in court dressed appropriately is fine,I have no problem with that. But, watch Court TV and see how the other half lives.

Why are celebrities like Wacko Jackson allowed to appear in court looking like he's on tour. If I was the Judge I would have told him to get out of my courtroom until he was dressed appropriately. But,that's just me...maybe I'm too old fashion. [wink]

But, then again "Vinny" did look kinda cool in that Maroon tux. [lol]
 
Who on here is braggging that they didn't get selected??

Mabye I'm lost?


And I'm with Adam. I'm pretty much the same.

I have a lot of pairs of Khaki Polo pants. That's all I wear. Takes the time out of having to figure out what shirt matches what pants.

Then a bunch or LL Bean EDS Polo Shirts. So, just grab one, whatever color is clean.

Same with Boxers, whatever is in my drawer. I only wear GAP boxes, so it doesn't matter what color.

Tee Shirt...grab whatever is clean.

All Socks are Docker Khaki Crews So that doesn't matter.

Brown Shoes...

Out the door.

If it's cold then I thorw on a sweater and/or a jacket.

So like Adam says. That leaves me wearing.

Boxers, don't remember what I color I have on, but GAP Boxers.
Grey T-shirt.
Green LL Bean Polo with EDS Logo.
Khaki Polo Pants
Brown Socks
Sketcher dress Shoes
LL Bean Raggwoll Sweater
LL Bean Coat of somesort.

I would be comfortable wearing this as a juror.
 
C-pher said:
Who on here is braggging that they didn't get selected??

Mabye I'm lost?

I think they were referring to my post, in which I was jesting by writing...
I ALWAYS go to jury duty dressed in torn jeans, a stained shirt that says I HATE EVERYONE!

Gets me out every time! :D

That was of course meant as a joke, I do have nice clothes, and in fact my last 3 jobs before this one including a very posh law firm in Boston required shirt and tie every day to work.

Only a joke...

Adam
 
I'm with Jon, et al...good for the judge. My last trip to the court with my "call slip" in hand made me blink due to the clothes that some of them were wearing. [roll]
 
I wasn't referring to anyone in particular when I mentioned people who brag about getting out of jury duty. I was merely commenting that we pride ourselves on being responsible people as gun owners. I can see how one might think I was alluding to Adam's post, though, in retrospect. [oops]

Nickle...I hope that the reason that you wear camos at work is because it is your duty uniform and not because you can't get into your Class A's [twisted]


Regards [?] ,

Mark
 
mark056 said:
Nickle...I hope that the reason that you wear camos at work is because it is your duty uniform and not because you can't get into your Class A's [twisted]

Well, you don't often see Maintenance folks (even office Maint folks) in Class A's do you?
 
What you say is true, but in some quarters your reply could be construed as dodging the question :D

(My Class A's use to shrink in the closet. I think it had something to do with the chemicals in the moth balls interacting with the fibers of the uniform....anyway that is my theory and I am sticking to it). [roll]

Mark
 
What you wear at work is irrelevant. You're not going to work - you're going to COURT!

A point I had to make to a husband and wife team of cretins who used the "it's what we wear at work" excuse for coming to court in his-and-her sweatsuits.

Note that:

1. These people OBVIOUSLY never worked out; and

2. It was NOT what they wore at work (they owned a bike & ski shop).

TSTL [roll]
 
Oh, my Dress Greens fit. I've had to change them over the years, since their sizing system appears to be constantly changing. [roll]

Hell, I've worn them more in the Guard than I ever did Active Duty.
 
Scrivener said:
What you wear at work is irrelevant. You're not going to work - you're going to COURT!

I do agree completely. I guess I threw this thread off it's axis by commenting on how Chris had his wardrobe all planned out like that. I was of course talking about what I wear to work, not at all what I would wear if I were called to jury duty or if I were defendant/plaintiff.

Adam
 
Wasn't all planned. I just took a break and ran up to see what "If I had woken up and was off to Jury Duty" what I would have grabbed. I did so and then typed it in.

That's what i would have worn had this thread NOT appeared and I was off to Jury Duty.

I was actually hoping someone would have commented on the choices.

I don't wear suits often. (last time was my wedding in '99) The two 'dress shirts' and sports jackets I have were both hand made by a tailor as I'm a bit hard to fit off the rack. Everything off the rack that fits my neck/shoulders looks like a big deflated balloon around my middle. (^_^)

So, I tend to dress in a way that avoids the expensive custom stuff so i have it for the weddings, funerals, etc.
 
Well, I honestly don't remember what I wore last time I had Jury Duty. I do remember that I had no thoughts of trying to get out of it; I feel that it is a civic duty that I owe to MYSELF to do - otherwise I'm not sure I could face myself in the mirror to comb my face.

That said... I might well wear a tie after reading this, and remembering an article I read about a study about frames of mind when dressed. We do allow how we're dressed to affect our state of mind. People who were more dressed up were more serious and focused, IIRC.

So...

My probable wardrobe:
Socks
Rockport boots (the only shoes my orthotics fit at the moment)
Hanes
Men's Wearhouse shirt & slacks
Marvin the Martian tie
Bronze dragon tie tack.

If not the Marvin tie, then it'd probably be my Pinky & the Brain tie (the pattern is so small you can't tell that it's made of dancing cartoon mice from 10 feet away).
 
mark056 said:
(My Class A's use to shrink in the closet. I think it had something to do with the chemicals in the moth balls interacting with the fibers of the uniform....anyway that is my theory and I am sticking to it). [roll]

Bless you, dear child. I was looking for the reason why some of my clothes were a bit tight over the past couple years....it's those damn moth balls!
[wink]
 
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