EPIC FAIL WITH A GLOCK ( FIREARM SAFTEY IS KEY)

[CHAM12]

Guns just dont go off but in this case i guess it did Or did it you be the judge.

Member was at home in his living room watching television with his wife. He had just purchased two handguns that day from a local dealer. Member had previously loaded one of the weapons and had intended on storing in a secure location for the evening. Member then decided to download the weapon (glock 9mm) and clean it prior to storing it. While attempting to download the weapon, member had his left hand over the slide of the weapon and had his right hand engaging the slide stop/release to engage the locking mechanism and eject the round in the chamber. While pulling the slide to the rear, the weapon went off while the member's left hand was over the muzzle of the weapon resulting in a round passing thru his left hand. The round continued through member's wife's leg, going through the back part of her lower left leg just below her calf muscle. The round pierced through a couch and through the front wall of their home.

Member immediately called local emergency services and two local police units were dispatched to the scene within five minutes. Upon arrival, a police report was filed and both injured members were transported to the local hospital for treatment. Both members were released several hours after being treated in the er and were not admitted to the hospital. The member was referred to another hospital for hand surgery the following day. His wife did not require any follow up medical care. Fortunately there was only soft tissue to the member's hand and very minor tendon damage to the hand and indications are that no further surgery is required. Member was released from the hospital on 04jul10 and escorted back to his home to rest and for 30 days of light duty. Member will be following up with his primary care manager this week and is scheduled for a hand surgeon follow up next week.

Upon review of the incident, the determination has been made that the member negligently discharged his weapon with no indication of foul play. Lack of situational awareness was the main contributing factor to this incident along with the deceiving level of comfort with weapon. Despite the member's familiarity with different types of pdw's, the weapon was still new to him, having only gotten it that day. Taking that into consideration, the member should have exercised a much higher level of care and attention to detail when handling the weapon.

1) TREAT EVERY WEAPON AS IF IT IS LOADED.
2) NEVER POINT A WEAPON AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO SHOOT.
3) KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER AND OUTSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD
UNTIL READY TO FIRE.
4) FOR WEAPONS WITH A SAFETY, KEEP IT ON SAFE UNTIL READY TO FIRE.
THESE FOUR BASIC WEAPONS HANDLING RULES ARE JUST AS APPLICABLE ON-DUTY AS THEY ARE OFF-DUTY.
1) TREAT EVERY WEAPON AS IF IT IS LOADED.
2) NEVER POINT A WEAPON AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO SHOOT.
3) KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER AND OUTSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD
UNTIL READY TO FIRE.
4) FOR WEAPONS WITH A SAFETY, KEEP IT ON SAFE UNTIL READY TO FIRE.
THESE FOUR BASIC WEAPONS HANDLING RULES ARE JUST AS APPLICABLE ON-DUTY AS THEY ARE OFF-DUTY.

 

[Larry Legend]

This is completely unreadable.

Stop using all caps.

Use paragraphs.


Go to your room and think about what you've done.

 

[wolf223]

is this something you know? personal friend? family member?

and all caps? sounds like a cherry dude messing with guns w/o really knowing what he was doing.... him and his old lady are lucky to be alive. i hear those glocks can penetrate school buses and still pass through a human skull.

 

[Zappa]

HE HAD JUST PURCHASED TWO HANDGUNS THAT DAY FROM A LOCAL DEALER.

A One-Gun-A-Month Law could have prevented this.

[/sarcasm]

 

[cekim]

Not that I don't love a good Glock pile-on, but this variety of stupid would appear be applicable to most any semi-auto...

Oh and WTF is up with the caps and "downloading" a gun to get the bullets out?

I am betting this guy could cause a nuclear chain reaction with a shovel given enough time and encouragement. Hope the wife recovers.

 

[Flyer007]

Looks and sounds like it was copied from a dept. report. Also sounds like the "victim" was a LEO.

Major contradiction in report though.
First it states his left hand was over slide racking it back. Later on it says his hand was in front of barrel.

 

[CHAM12]

The CAPS is how it was written was not going to re type it. thats how we get it on our MSG boards sorry.

 

[CHAM12]

Sorry dad i kinda fixed it.

This is completely unreadable.

Stop using all caps.

Use paragraphs.


Go to your room and think about what you've done.

 

[AppleSeeds]

Cleaned it up (and no I did not retype it)...

Member was at home in his living room watching television with his wife. He had just purchased two handguns that day from a local dealer. Member had previously loaded one of the weapons and had intended on storing in a secure location for the evening. Member then decided to download the weapon (glock 9mm) and clean it prior to storing it. While attempting to download the weapon, member had his left hand over the slide of the weapon and had his right hand engaging the slide stop/release to engage the locking mechanism and eject the round in the chamber. While pulling the slide to the rear, the weapon went off while the member's left hand was over the muzzle of the weapon resulting in a round passing thru his left hand. The round continued through member's wife's leg, going through the back part of her lower left leg just below her calf muscle. The round pierced through a couch and through the front wall of their home.

Member immediately called local emergency services and two local police units were dispatched to the scene within five minutes. Upon arrival, a police report was filed and both injured members were transported to the local hospital for treatment. Both members were released several hours after being treated in the er and were not admitted to the hospital. The member was referred to another hospital for hand surgery the following day. His wife did not require any follow up medical care. Fortunately there was only soft tissue to the member's hand and very minor tendon damage to the hand and indications are that no further surgery is required. Member was released from the hospital on 04jul10 and escorted back to his home to rest and for 30 days of light duty. Member will be following up with his primary care manager this week and is scheduled for a hand surgeon follow up next week.

Upon review of the incident, the determination has been made that the member negligently discharged his weapon with no indication of foul play. Lack of situational awareness was the main contributing factor to this incident along with the deceiving level of comfort with weapon. Despite the member's familiarity with different types of pdw's, the weapon was still new to him, having only gotten it that day. Taking that into consideration, the member should have exercised a much higher level of care and attention to detail when handling the weapon.

1) TREAT EVERY WEAPON AS IF IT IS LOADED.
2) NEVER POINT A WEAPON AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO SHOOT.
3) KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER AND OUTSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD
UNTIL READY TO FIRE.
4) FOR WEAPONS WITH A SAFETY, KEEP IT ON SAFE UNTIL READY TO FIRE.
THESE FOUR BASIC WEAPONS HANDLING RULES ARE JUST AS APPLICABLE ON-DUTY AS THEY ARE OFF-DUTY.

 

[CHAM12]

Thanks

 

[IPSC_DRL]

Yep. Blatant violation of rules 2+3 will do that! [DOH]

 

[SeaShells]

Rule # 1 with Glocks- squeeze trigger and they go BANG

 

[drgrant]

This is more like "Epic firearms safety fail" than anything else. I am mystified as to why people have their hand in front of the muzzle when unloading any firearm. My guess is this guy has been "doing it wrong" since day 1 and today he just added another wrong thing to his repertoire, putting his finger in the trigger guard. If your whole procedure is as safe as it can be, from start to finish, then safety becomes an ingrained habit, and having an "event" like this becomes highly improbable.

-Mike

 

[strangenh]

Looks and sounds like it was copied from a dept. report. Also sounds like the "victim" was a LEO.

Major contradiction in report though.
First it states his left hand was over slide racking it back. Later on it says his hand was in front of barrel.

Yeah, confusing. I wonder if he had his hand in front of the slide to catch it after setting the slide lock lever (the tiny crossbar, not the slide stop) and then pulling the trigger to remove the slide. That is the one aspect of Glock takedown that has always made me think, "accident waiting to happen."

 

[AppleSeeds]

Thanks

No problem.

 

[cekim]

this. hand in front of barrel pushing slide rearward while pulling trigger to take it down. already dropped the mag, or "unloaded" it, so he thought it was safe. you can't even count how many people have shot themselves with glocks over the years doing this. i know a firefighter here in town that put a bullet through his thigh doing the same thing while driving in Concord two days after he bought his first glock.

Facepalm...

Wait, I thought Glock was "perfection?"

Really, its not that hard... [sad2]

 

[cekim]

Rule # 1 with Glocks- squeeze trigger and they go BANG

Well, that explains why they aren't MA compliant...

 

[George D]

this. hand in front of barrel pushing slide rearward while pulling trigger to take it down. already dropped the mag, or "unloaded" it, so he thought it was safe. you can't even count how many people have shot themselves with glocks over the years doing this. i know a firefighter here in town that put a bullet through his thigh doing the same thing while driving in Concord two days after he bought his first glock.

I am guessing that is what happened. The slide is so short that the only way you could get your hand in front of the muzzle is if you grabbed it with your thumb on the left side of the frame and pushed back instead of grabbing it with your thumb on the right side and pulling it back. Even though it says he pulled the slide back, it sounds like he pushed it back. Either way, a totally avoidable incident. I am guessing there is a "no guns in the living room" rule in his house now.

 

[cekim]

I am guessing that is what happened. The slide is so short that the only way you could get your hand in front of the muzzle is if you grabbed it with your thumb on the left side of the frame and pushed back instead of grabbing it with your thumb on the right side and pulling it back. Even though it says he pulled the slide back, it sounds like he pushed it back. Either way, a totally avoidable incident. I am guessing there is a "no guns in the living room" rule in his house now.

It's bike helmets and mittens from now on...

 

[Martlet]

Why is the title "Epic Glock Fail"? The Glock didn't fail. The person holding did.

 

[Palladin]

That's my guess; he tried to drop the slide w/o clearing chamber. Bang

His DEPT piece is probably a Sig

 

[ScottS]

More like "EPIC FAIL WITH A GLOCK."

Member is lucky Glock wasn't pointed at his...well, member.

 

[rattletrap1970]

I never put my hand in front of the muzzle unless the gun is apart. It just creeps me out. I used to work in a forging shop years ago, you got in the habit of giving everything a quick tap to see if it was hot. After about a year there you'd be doing that to coffee cups, staplers, pens, etc. Just got to be a habit. Same way with guns, you get in the habit of not sticking your hand in front of the muzzle that you just never do it.

 

[M1911]

EPIC THREAD TITLE FAIL!

Why is the title "Epic Glock Fail"? The Glock didn't fail. The person holding did.

Yup. The Glock worked as advertised. The person handling it violated multiple safety rules. Here's a couple hints:

1) your hand is not a safe direction.
2) your wife is not a safe direction either.
3) keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
4) before field stripping a gun, make sure that the gun is unloaded.

And, as you can tell by my handle, I'm not exactly a Glock fan-boy.

 

[rattletrap1970]

This

Was there actually a firearms rule he DIDN'T break?

 

[M1911]

This

Was there actually a firearms rule he DIDN'T break?

Yes, actually. He obeyed this rule: Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.

 

[Fsorrent]

That's funny. My fiance says if I "download" porn, a similar result would ensue...

 

[ScottS]

Yup. The Glock worked as advertised. The person handling it violated multiple safety rules. Here's a couple hints:

1) your hand is not a safe direction.
2) your wife is not a safe direction either.
3) keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
4) before field stripping a gun, make sure that the gun is unloaded.

And, as you can tell by my handle, I'm not exactly a Glock fan-boy.

In fairness, we don't really know her, so....just saying.

 

[M1911]

In fairness, we don't really know her, so....just saying.

Divorce is always cheaper and easier than shooting your spouse.

 

[drgrant]

Yeah, confusing. I wonder if he had his hand in front of the slide to catch it after setting the slide lock lever (the tiny crossbar, not the slide stop) and then pulling the trigger to remove the slide. That is the one aspect of Glock takedown that has always made me think, "accident waiting to happen."

The thing is though, anyone with more than one functioning brain cell will not have an ND with a Glock if they actually think about what they're doing for more than 5 seconds... things like the little takedown lever in the M+P are nothing more than a horrible bandaid for what basically amounts to a serious training deficiency. (I for one hate that lever in the M+P.... I think it's insane and unnecessary).

More often than not I think these "takedown NDs" are caused by people who don't have safety habits in place to begin with. Once you establish a routine that is safe all the way through the chances of an ND are essentially zero. A lot of these happen because people were never properly trained as to how to take the gun apart and they hamfist their way through it, forgetting about safety along the way.... and then they are RUSHING something which doesn't need to be rushed.

1. Clear the gun in SAFE DIRECTION- drop mag empty chamber.
Is it really clear?
You sure about that? (make sure no mag, no round in chamber, cycle slide a few
times)

2. Point gun in SAFE DIRECTION. Depress trigger.

3. Use thumb and index finger of one hand at the rear of the gun, with thumb on frame and index finger on rear sight, slightly pull slide back, while using thumb and index finger underneath the pistol to pull the takedown lever down, guide slide off with first hand. At NO time are any body parts, pets, or other people in front of the muzzle.

It's not exactly rocket science. If a moron like myself can do it without shooting himself, anyone can. If people did this enough times with every gun
they own, then it becomes a burned in, automatic safety habit, and then the ND simply never happens because you always subconsciously do it the right way.

-Mike