End of private transfers in MA?

[one-eyed Jack]

welcome to the $75 transfer...

Maybe some dealers. I'm betting that none of my guys here at the Mill would stoop that low. Jack.

 

[EJFudd]

Maybe some dealers. I'm betting that none of my guys here at the Mill would stoop that low. Jack.

The last thing that leftist/socialist anti-2A government wants to do is help small gun dealers earn a living and prosper. My prediction: If it ever comes down to where all (legal) firearms transfers must be done through licensed dealers, government will limit what those dealers can charge by setting a cap or a fixed fee.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

The last thing that leftist/socialist anti-2A government wants to do is help small gun dealers earn a living and prosper. My prediction: If it ever comes down to where all (legal) firearms transfers must be done through licensed dealers, government will limit what those dealers can charge by setting a cap or a fixed fee.

In this state they might try that. To set prices for what business people can charge for goods and services becomes a very serious issue. Jack.

 

[M60]

They've been doing this for decades with motor vehicle inspection stickers.

 

[steve8140]

$15 transfers and $5 of that automatically goes to Comm2A or similar group.

This is what I would do IF I was a dealer, but I’m not. I hope none of this crap passes.

 

[greencobra]

Maybe some dealers. I'm betting that none of my guys here at the Mill would stoop that low. Jack.

yeah, a good bet. they'd all have to get together and do a price increase cause if 20 guys were charging 20-25, how many transfers would the odd man get if he were charging $75?

but stand alone shops, who knows what they do. money makes people go mad. remember the $700-750 25-30 year old glocks? anyone here ever think that would happen? you charge what the market will stand.

 

[enbloc]

Some FFL has to offer a "Transfer Club Membership"

$100/year = Unlimited Transfers...

 

[sschevy]

Being that he is an FFL,he is just projecting his dreams of no more FTF because FFL's will profit the most off of that legislation.

Shit,he will probably vote for it lol

No FFL in their right mind would want this

Private transfers are literally the biggest pain in the ass for the least return

 

[cathouse01]

Here is the wording from H.R.8 - Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019, the law passed by the House and will be debated in the Senate:

(3) by inserting after subsection (s), as redesignated, the following:

“(t) (1) (A) It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not so licensed, unless a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has first taken possession of the firearm for the purpose of complying with subsection (s).

The new Federal law requires the FFL to “take Possession”. (i.e. enter it into their bound book) before doing the background check. I would interpret this to mean that, in MA, the FFL would then be bound by all the AG’s regulations in terms of transferring the gun to the buying party.

 

[citoriguy]

Here is the wording from H.R.8 - Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019, the law passed by the House and will be debated in the Senate:

(3) by inserting after subsection (s), as redesignated, the following:

“(t) (1) (A) It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not so licensed, unless a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has first taken possession of the firearm for the purpose of complying with subsection (s).

The new Federal law requires the FFL to “take Possession”. (i.e. enter it into their bound book) before doing the background check. I would interpret this to mean that, in MA, the FFL would then be bound by all the AG’s regulations in terms of transferring the gun to the buying party.

I can see some unscrupulous dealers taking “possession” of a gun and telling the seller to go eff themselves. Guaranteed to happen.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Here is the wording from H.R.8 - Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019, the law passed by the House and will be debated in the Senate:

(3) by inserting after subsection (s), as redesignated, the following:

“(t) (1) (A) It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not so licensed, unless a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has first taken possession of the firearm for the purpose of complying with subsection (s).

The new Federal law requires the FFL to “take Possession”. (i.e. enter it into their bound book) before doing the background check. I would interpret this to mean that, in MA, the FFL would then be bound by all the AG’s regulations in terms of transferring the gun to the buying party.

If it were passed into law that way, I would agree with you.

 

[amm5061]

I was under the understanding that you can sell a firearm you manufacture, you just can't manufacture with the intent of selling if you're not an FFL...

This is correct. The Feds don't care if you sell it, so long as it's serialized and wasn't manufactured with the intent to sell it if you don't have an FFL.

 

[Asaltweapon]

There’s a lot of 80’s out there.

 

[Mesatchornug]

This is correct. The Feds don't care if you sell it, so long as it's serialized and wasn't manufactured with the intent to sell it if you don't have an FFL.

If you're not an FFL, it's a serial still required? I thought that only applied to licensees?

 

[67ray]

What about if you are a C&R FFL holder? That would mean C&R guns = no UBC

 

[jpm]

The new Federal law requires the FFL to “take Possession”. (i.e. enter it into their bound book) before doing the background check. I would interpret this to mean that, in MA, the FFL would then be bound by all the AG’s regulations in terms of transferring the gun to the buying party.

This is how it works now if you use a dealer to transfer. I don't see a difference (aside from the new law prohibiting private party transfers)

 

[jpm]

What about if you are a C&R FFL holder? That would mean C&R guns = no UBC

No because a C&R FFL is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer.

 

[amm5061]

If you're not an FFL, it's a serial still required? I thought that only applied to licensees?

Seems to be a little debate on this, but the consensus is yes. Serial number required for sale.

 

[jaypap]

We have met the enemy and he is us. Why fuel the fire?

 

[FalArAk]

No FFL in their right mind would want this

Private transfers are literally the biggest pain in the ass for the least return

Are you an FFL ?

 

[Dadstoys]

I remember the price of guns , ammo and reloading components during the last shit show.
We wouldn't get bent over hard if shops were the only game in town ?


After all it's the capitalism we defend so hard here.
Supply and demand baby.

 

[M125X]

Odds of this passing in MA?

 

[sschevy]

Are you an FFL ?

Yup , and person to person transfers are a big pain in the ass

If this crap became reality I’d have to seriously consider stopping person to person transfers as it would completely bog down my business for close to no return on the time spent

 

[daveyburt]

^
So, again, the plan may work out.

 

[sschevy]

Waiting for the smaller business to tap out to the online sales is a plan I can see happening

Then it’s as easy as ending online sales via google and others and poof, instant gun control / supply disruption without passing a single law

It’s not that far fetched , most online companies don’t have a actual retail location or on hand inventory and are specifically built around drop ship sales from a handful of non associated distribution companies

A trend I’m seeing in the Midwest is many local FFL’s not accepting online transfers of new guns , only used ones , the people I’ve talked to out there feel the same and say they won’t be part their own demise

 

[Blackmore]

Won't work in MA with current eFA10 law, but any state where you can still sell your personal property to someone else without big brother sticking his nose into it, there are workarounds to a UBC law as long as both parties involved can STFU!

It’s not that far fetched , most online companies don’t have a actual retail location or on hand inventory and are specifically built around drop ship sales from a handful of non associated distribution companies.

Exactly. I bought a gun from an online dealer in TX and it shipped out of MN from a distributor there.

 

[EJFudd]

Yup , and person to person transfers are a big pain in the ass. If this crap became reality I’d have to seriously consider stopping person to person transfers as it would completely bog down my business for close to no return on the time spent

That is truly an amazing statement. I don't question that you are sincere about that, but I sure wish I were in a business where a few minutes of computerized paperwork yielded $25-$40 in cash. Perhaps if this nonsense ever really becomes law, maybe part-time, by-appointment-only "transfers-only" dealers will become a thing.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

That is truly an amazing statement. I don't question that you are sincere about that, but I sure wish I were in a business where a few minutes of computerized paperwork yielded $25-$40 in cash. Perhaps if this nonsense ever really becomes law, maybe part-time, by-appointment-only "transfers-only" dealers will become a thing.

If you are good and fast doing the NICS and FA10 (MIRCS in Mass) online, it goes quick as long as no delay is involved. My problem is that I'm old and slow. Jack.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

That is truly an amazing statement. I don't question that you are sincere about that, but I sure wish I were in a business where a few minutes of computerized paperwork yielded $25-$40 in cash. Perhaps if this nonsense ever really becomes law, maybe part-time, by-appointment-only "transfers-only" dealers will become a thing.

I did a personal transfer last week and we tied up the counter person on and off for about 30 minutes.

Bob

 

[citoriguy]

I did a personal transfer last week and we tied up the counter person on and off for about 30 minutes.

Bob

I’ve had the same experience. It takes more than a few minutes to do the transfer through an FFL.