Employment restriction, WTF?

tuna · Oct 31, 2016

Just renewed my LTC in Westfield. I watched the clerk enter "All Lawful Purposes" on the computer, and change my employment to "Retired Air Force". Today when the LTC came in, it shows "Employment" under the restriction field. I called the office and the clerk wasn't in, but I gave my info to be called back.
What does this mean? Since it is hunting season, am I not allowed to carry a single shot shotgun during deer season? Am I not allowed to CCW? Or am I allowed to carry only when performing duties of a retired NCO (drinking, smoking cigars, calling young kids p@@@ies, etc?

jhblaze1 · Oct 31, 2016

seems fine. Your employment is "retired guy". Seems you can carry anywhere.

MisterHappy · Oct 31, 2016

tuna said:
Just renewed my LTC in Westfield. I watched the clerk enter "All Lawful Purposes" on the computer, and change my employment to "Retired Air Force". Today when the LTC came in, it shows "Employment" under the restriction field. I called the office and the clerk wasn't in, but I gave my info to be called back.
What does this mean? Since it is hunting season, am I not allowed to carry a single shot shotgun during deer season? Am I not allowed to CCW? Or am I allowed to carry only when performing duties of a retired NCO (drinking, smoking cigars, calling young kids p@@@ies, etc?

First, for practicalities, restrictions apply to firearms (i.e. handguns, per MGLs). Long guns are another matter. If you're lawfully engaged in hunting, or shooting at a range, you're GTG.

Guess you gotta wait till the LO get back to you for the rest.

Rob Boudrie · Oct 31, 2016

What does this mean?

It means you have been screwed by the system.

Chevy 2 65 · Oct 31, 2016

It's possible, that it was a mistake?

MAJoe · Oct 31, 2016

Thankfully if it was a mistake they should be able to issue you a new one unrestricted quite quickly.

Let us know how you make out.

Maui5150 · Oct 31, 2016

I think they are passive aggressively adding a restriction

Suppressor · Oct 31, 2016

That's a good one. "Restrictions: Employment", "Employer: Retired." They found a way to restrict you without restricting you. I wouldn't blame you if you just decided to move away. I hear NH is nice.

Knuckle Dragger · Oct 31, 2016

Chevy 2 65 said:
It's possible, that it was a mistake?

I suspect it was this.

icyclefar · Oct 31, 2016

The way I see it, as long as you don't go back to work you're good to go.

noxin · Oct 31, 2016

Since you're the boss, write a letter stating you are working 24x7 and are required to be armed at all times.

Waher · Oct 31, 2016

Suppressor said:
That's a good one. "Restrictions: Employment", "Employer: Retired." They found a way to restrict you without restricting you. I wouldn't blame you if you just decided to move away. I hear NH is nice.

Don't give Red Police Chiefs any more ideas. Brookline would seriously do that in an attempt to nullify lawsuits.

tuna · Oct 31, 2016

I think it is truly just a mistake, not getting myself too wrapped up in tinfoil, mayo and lava soap (just enough to be fun, but nothing out of the ordinary), seeing how I saw her enter the info. Plus, I thought an employment restriction was always a special request.
I find it kind of funny. Hopefully it'll all get straightened out soon. Glad I'm not in a red town.

one-eyed Jack · Nov 1, 2016

noxin said:
Since you're the boss, write a letter stating you are working 24x7 and are required to be armed at all times.

This. You are employed by yourself. Jack.

LoginName · Nov 1, 2016

Waher said:
Don't give Red Police Chiefs any more ideas. Brookline would seriously do that in an attempt to nullify lawsuits.

Funny you mention Brookline.

Someone I know was granted an upgraded LTC for employment reasons by the BPD (he was working for an armored car company), but
there were strings attached. He could only carry when he was actually on duty, and only for as long as he worked there.

When he quit for another job, they downgraded his LTC back to 'target and sporting'.

noxin · Nov 1, 2016

LoginName said:
Funny you mention Brookline.

Someone I know was granted an upgraded LTC for employment reasons by the BPD (he was working for an armored car company), but
there were strings attached. He could only carry when he was actually on duty, and only for as long as he worked there.

When he quit for another job, they downgraded his LTC back to 'target and sporting'.

From what I've heard, that's actually pretty standard for Employment restrictions

LoginName · Nov 1, 2016

noxin said:
From what I've heard, that's actually pretty standard for Employment restrictions

I suspected as much. In Brooklines case, its the only way a mere citizen can get an LTC for any form of carry even if it is limited.

Instead of just granting a person an unrestricted LTC, they'll dumb it down as much as they can, and even then they would probably
go on a fishing expedition to deny it.

Len-2A Training · Nov 1, 2016

noxin said:
From what I've heard, that's actually pretty standard for Employment restrictions

I seem to remember seeing it in writing somewhere but can't find it now. If issued for employment and said employment terminates, they either revoke (shouldn't do this) or change the restriction for the LTC.

LoginName · Nov 1, 2016

Len-2A Training said:
I seem to remember seeing it in writing somewhere but can't find it now. If issued for employment and said employment terminates, they either revoke (shouldn't do this) or change the restriction for the LTC.

Now that you mention it, BPD might have revoked his license and not dumbed it down as I posted earlier.

This happened about 20 years ago so I could easily be misrembering it, although the more I sit here and think about it, I'm almost certain
now that it was revoked.

One thing I do clearly recall, is that later on he came to me asking about applying (not renewing), for an LTC in another town he had moved to,
and if I would write a reference letter for him.

I knew he had at least two firearms at home at the time, and when I asked him about it (and not having an LTC), that's when he told me
about his experience with Brookline.

tuna · Nov 1, 2016

UPDATE: Talked to licensing clerk today, who said this has happened several times lately. She's submitting it again for ALP, and I should have it in 2 weeks. Till then, I guess concealed is concealed, and rely on sound judgement of law enforcement and my peers in The Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

goodlife30 · Nov 1, 2016

tuna said:
UPDATE: Talked to licensing clerk today, who said this has happened several times lately. She's submitting it again for ALP, and I should have it in 2 weeks. Till then, I guess concealed is concealed, and rely on sound judgement of law enforcement and my peers in The Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

Maybe if you wrote retired army or marines you would not have an issue

(sarcasm).

tuna · Nov 1, 2016

Haha. I started Army and was stationed at Devens in WWII barracks, 40 to a room and gang showers. Meanwhile, the Air Force guys got extra pay for substandard housing (old officers quarters), had the hottest chicks (married one eventually) and didn't go for runs at 0500. Next enlistment I crossed into the blue.

tuna · Nov 9, 2016

Update: new permit without restrictions in hand today. I'm not a huge cop fan, but well done Westfield PD.

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