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Electoral College Question.

Discussion in 'Contact your Politician' started by Nikos, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Nikos

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    One of the Maine State Senators is saying we need to get rid of the Electoral College, because it was put into place to keep slavery going. I never heard of this before. Does anyone know what this guy is talking about?
     
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    Probably parroting this idiot....

     
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    It was inconvenient for the Dems during the last presidential election, only the fifth case of someone winning the popular vote but losing by Electoral College. If they actually cared about history they would realize it was created to prevent oppression of the small states by the larger states. This link quotes the Federalist Papers.

    Why the Electoral College
     
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    Everything you need to know about the Electoral College.



    Tara Ross has written extensively on the Electoral College (and is a pretty awesome historian to follow)
     
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    Time to get rid of your Maine Senator
     
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    Some of the same
     
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    Dumbed down

     
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    This new breed of politicians are a bunch of idiots and it's part humorous and part scary!
     
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    As Ben Franklin said, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."
     
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    "...and liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
     
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    My analogy for the EC is the World Series.

    The Indians should have won the WS since they scored 22 runs to the 21 by the Cubs, but the Cubs won 4 games to 3. This may be stretching it a bit but it helps ill informed people to understand better.
     
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    The Dems want to eliminate the Electoral College so California and New York can determine the President... forever
     
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    Also illegals are now all getting work permits and SS numbers and drivers licenses and that means they can vote (since they only check the DL for id) and they mostly settle in CA and NY and don't help with the EC since CA and NY are solid blue, but the popular vote....
     
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    Yeah, and so they can also stuff the ballot boxes in the big cities.
     
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    Hey, you're doing a public service
    even if they only shuffle off muttering,
    trying to grasp the analogy.
     
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    I think if you understand the way the US government is put together, there's no question that the EC is a natural, logical consequence of having a federal government. As originally conceived, the presidency was not as powerful as it is today, and states themselves shared far less of their sovereignty with the federal government. The Constitution was meant to severely limit the federal government's power by exhaustively enumerating what the federal government has control over, everything else belonging to the states (or to the people). Only with the modern federal government, having gorged itself on power grabs for generation upon generation, is it possible to entertain the fiction that the EC is part of this or that sinister plot. Back when this thing started, it would have just made perfect sense, no sinister plots required.
     
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    You'd think the Dems would just want to make the electoral college free for everyone instead of elimating it.
     
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    The fact that an electoral college winner lost the popular vote has no meaning, because the way the game is played would be substantially different if it was a popular vote. You would see Rs campaigning in parts of CA and western MA, and Ds campaigning in solid red states.

    Drawing a conclusion that someone who lost the popular vote but won the EC vote would have lost the popular vote if (s)he knew it was a popular vote and campaigned accordingly is simply inaccurate.
     
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    The question of slavery was one of the biggest arguments during the Constitutional Convention. Non-slave states wanted to ban slavery while the slave states would not vote to ratify a constitution if that was to happen. Eventually the group agreed to not address this issue in order to proceed with the more immediate task of creating a government which would work.

    Many people fail to realize that there were at least three European nations with a significant presence on the North American continent. These nations were just waiting for us to fail in this and break apart so that they could step in and grab up some of the states as their own.

    Many people also fail to acknowledge some indisputable facts.

    1. There were a number of states and many people who were already against slavery and actively worked to undermine the slave states.
    2. The Northwest Ordinance of 1787 outlawed slavery in the states which would be formed out of the Northwest Territory.
    3. Opposition to slavery was one of the key triggers of the Civil War.
    4. The Electoral College was developed for the same reason we need it today - to keep a few large population centers from deciding everything for the entire rest of the country. Even in 1787, the small states were worried about how a few large states could unite to rule the country.

    Of course Progressives (sic) don't want to listen to these facts.
     
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    Anyone who is in favor of eliminating the Electoral College who is NOT in favor of eliminating the senate, is a hypocrite.
     
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    I like the cut of your jab.
     
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    The Maine Legislature just voted to throw away our electoral college votes. It never ceases to amaze me how the politicians refuse to listen to the people.
     
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    Link?
     
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    That is the rediculous propaganda the leftist media and psuedo leftist intellectuals put out hoping the uninformed will believe it. Unfortunately there are a lot of ignorant people.
     
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    The absolute best way to defeat this initiative is for Trump to win the popular vote in 2020 and get all those EC votes.

    Can you hear the wailing cries and moaning?
     

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