Don't Rock the Boat Gun Owner

[jhblaze1]

One should always remember : There is no such thing as a free
lunch...

This reminds me of a philosophy class i took in college Theories of Justice at UMaine. UMaine's phi dept is about as communist as it gets but as a phi major i needed this class. This particular prof was absolutely transparently communist to the extent that he was the organizer for the "Socialist/Marxist Luncheon Lecture Series" No kidding.

Anyway, i thought the Theoris of Justice class would be an interest moral philosphy class focusing on retributive justice. WRONG. It focused ONLY on distributive justice: ie the justice of wealth distribution. One book he made us read was called "What's Wrong with a Free Lunch?". He hated me as we always clashed heads in the class. I stuck it up his ass though by submitting a paper he gave me a C on (for disagreeing with affirmative action/wealth redistribution through social programs) to an essay competition and won $1000. I invited him to the banquet as a guest just so i could see the look on his face.

This donkey is the chair of the UMaine PHI dept. He once said in a formal logic class (that has nothing to do with politics) that "America could learn something from Cuba's economic policy". I got up and left the class.

 

[codenamepaul]

There's a solution to going to the state level: elect better representatives.

Not that it's practical, but that's the only way to ensure a fair shake.

You won't need to elect better representatives if the bad ones just started disappearing. They'll come out on their own.

 

[45 acp]

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER WHEN YOU VOTE!!!!
This is only way you can beat them. Familiarity breeds contempt

 

[csharpdev]

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER WHEN YOU VOTE!!!!
This is only way you can beat them. Familiarity breeds contempt

Yes... I remember last election when I still lived in Newton I did NOT vote for the incumbent democrats, most of whom were running unopposed. I wrote in myself, but I lost.

It's hard to change government at the ballot box when the incumbent is running unopposed. I just hope in Leominster the options will be better.

 

[Admin]

It's hard to change government at the ballot box when the incumbent is running unopposed. I just hope in Leominster the options will be better.

Not to mention the moonbat lefties out number you guys 3 to 1 down there. Good luck getting pro-2nd people in office.

 

[z0mbi]

The guys got a point... I bet there are a lot of liberals out there in MA who would love to take away our guns, who have NO idea that some towns are very lenient with giving out licenses.

 

[News Shooter]

Is this related?

Sheriffs don't want to give up control of concealed gun permits in Iowa
Thursday, February 14, 2008, 9:43 AM
By Darwin Danielson
There was an outcry at the statehouse Wednesday from county sheriffs objecting to a bill they say would make it harder for them to deny permits to carry concealed weapons.

The bill changes Iowa law to say the sheriff shall issue a permit except for a limited list of reasons, including felony convictions and drug addiction. If a permit's denied a written explanation would be required.

Representative Clel Baudler, a Republican from Greenfield, says there needs to be more consistency statewide in issuing the permits. Dubuque county Sheriff Kenneth Runde said that won't work. He said if he knows someone in his community has assaulted his wife but never been convicted, he wants to be able to deny a permit.

Runde says:"And we're going to give people like that permits to carry? That's not gonna happen, and I won't give 'em to those people. Just because they didn't get convicted 'cause their wives wouldn't testify, doesn't give them a right to carry a gun that they may end up using in a domestic violence situation."

Dewey Hildebrandt is sheriff of Bremer County. Hildebrandt says there are some cases where people might not have been found by the courts to be mentally unstable or unfit, there are situations where the sheriffs know the individuals personally and they are not the type they would want to see carrying weapons.

Story County Sheriff Paul Fitzgerald said explaining why a permit is denied could interfere with criminal investigations. "Taking the discretion away from sheriffs who have the intimate knowledge is going to be a disservice to the people in those communities," Fitzgerald says. Fitzgerald says the responsibility has got to fall back into the the sheriff and the sheriff has to stand up on why he did not give the person a permit.

Representative Baudler, a retired state trooper, says sheriffs are protecting their turf. He cited an example of permits unfairly denied for no apparent reason, including a prison guard who was not allowed to carry a concealed weapon for private protection outside the prison

 

[K-DUB]

He said if he knows someone in his community has assaulted his wife but never been convicted, he wants to be able to deny a permit.

Um......what the hell?

What happened to inoccent until proven guilty?

 

[pdm]

Um......what the hell?

What happened to inoccent until proven guilty?

See, the Sheriff knows.

 

[K-DUB]

See, the Sheriff knows.

Duh, I forgot. I'm just a stupid taxpayer.

 

[jhblaze1]

Runde says:"And we're going to give people like that permits to carry? That's not gonna happen, and I won't give 'em to those people. Just because they didn't get convicted 'cause their wives wouldn't testify, doesn't give them a right to carry a gun that they may end up using in a domestic violence situation."

another shitbag who thinks the Bill of Rights is really a Bill of Privileges.

 

[b79holmes]

It should be kept in mind that this particular issue is not an argument about Chief’s discretion, unfair license restrictions or even an opinion that the licensing of a civil right is unconstitutional.

Rather, this a matter of simply asking that the state take responsibility for an out of control system and curb the illegal activities being conducted by its licensing agents. In short, follow the very laws that they themselves enacted!

If we citizens cannot expect our government to adhere to its own laws, then where does that leave us?

I have to agree. The Iowan sheriff argument was used here originally wasn't it?

We have no choice here but to influence Democrats. I am an unrolled voter and find Dean and Edwards too far left for me but there are some interesting Dean quotes on :
http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/Howard_Dean_Gun_Control.htm

Such as (underline is mine):
"John Kerry criticized Dean's 1992 statement to the National Rifle Association that he opposed any restriction on private ownership of assault weapons. "Howard Dean's opposition to sensible gun safety measures is indefensible," Kerry said. "It explains why he has been endorsed by the NRA eight times. I believe we must put the safety of our children and families ahead of special interests like the NRA."

So it's not impossible to moderate the Dems views. GOAL can't make MA TX so must deal with what is here.

Bill

 

[EddieCoyle]

See, the Sheriff knows.

Very true. That's why Andy would only give Barney one cartridge.