http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/04/national/04guns.html?8hpib
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Don't just punish the criminal, kill the gun, too!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/04/national/04guns.html?8hpib
Talk about feel-good, made-for-the-media, no-common-sense policy...
Talk about feel-good, made-for-the-media, no-common-sense policy...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/04/national/04guns.html?8hpib
Talk about feel-good, made-for-the-media, no-common-sense policy...
Talk about feel-good, made-for-the-media, no-common-sense policy...
dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
OK, I need to weigh in on this.
In 1981, a very close friend of mine was shot and killed by an ex-con in NYC. Harv was shot with a .357 which the killer should not have had - being in NYC & being on parole. So much for gun laws preventing a murderous scum from being armed.
Harvey was killed over the price of a bus transfer - stupid reason, really. The killer, one Michael J. DelCarpine (I was at the trial - don't think I'll ever forget this bastard's name) had emptied his revolver at Harv from a distance of about 5 feet, opening up as Harv ran for the rear exit of the bus. Most of the first shots went through the roof of the bus; I'm guessing that this goblin hadn't fired it before and the recoil was jerking his hand something fierce - or he was doing the Hollywood "jerk" as he was pulling the trigger. The last shot was the one that hit Harv in the back of the head... sheer bad luck.
And in over 24 years, as I missed Harv and thought about how I lived longer than he ever had a chance to... (he was killed on Columbus Day weekend - I think of him every year at that time) I never ONCE blamed the gun. I blamed the NY Port Authority supervisor who prevented Harv from carrying his BP revolver (he'd been told a week before to stop). I blamed the idiots who passed the Sullivan Act. I blamed this idiot who thought that a bus transfer was worth a sentence of 25 years to life...
But the gun? Just an inanimate piece of steel that could have been any gun, could have been a knife (although I doubt it... Harv was a Ranger who'd been in Vietnam)... The gun had less to do with Harv's death than the idiot's girlfriend who was egging him on did.
It just never crossed my mind to blame the weapon.
In 1981, a very close friend of mine was shot and killed by an ex-con in NYC. Harv was shot with a .357 which the killer should not have had - being in NYC & being on parole. So much for gun laws preventing a murderous scum from being armed.
Harvey was killed over the price of a bus transfer - stupid reason, really. The killer, one Michael J. DelCarpine (I was at the trial - don't think I'll ever forget this bastard's name) had emptied his revolver at Harv from a distance of about 5 feet, opening up as Harv ran for the rear exit of the bus. Most of the first shots went through the roof of the bus; I'm guessing that this goblin hadn't fired it before and the recoil was jerking his hand something fierce - or he was doing the Hollywood "jerk" as he was pulling the trigger. The last shot was the one that hit Harv in the back of the head... sheer bad luck.
And in over 24 years, as I missed Harv and thought about how I lived longer than he ever had a chance to... (he was killed on Columbus Day weekend - I think of him every year at that time) I never ONCE blamed the gun. I blamed the NY Port Authority supervisor who prevented Harv from carrying his BP revolver (he'd been told a week before to stop). I blamed the idiots who passed the Sullivan Act. I blamed this idiot who thought that a bus transfer was worth a sentence of 25 years to life...
But the gun? Just an inanimate piece of steel that could have been any gun, could have been a knife (although I doubt it... Harv was a Ranger who'd been in Vietnam)... The gun had less to do with Harv's death than the idiot's girlfriend who was egging him on did.
It just never crossed my mind to blame the weapon.
dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
OK, I need to weigh in on this.
In 1981, a very close friend of mine was shot and killed by an ex-con in NYC. Harv was shot with a .357 which the killer should not have had - being in NYC & being on parole. So much for gun laws preventing a murderous scum from being armed.
Harvey was killed over the price of a bus transfer - stupid reason, really. The killer, one Michael J. DelCarpine (I was at the trial - don't think I'll ever forget this bastard's name) had emptied his revolver at Harv from a distance of about 5 feet, opening up as Harv ran for the rear exit of the bus. Most of the first shots went through the roof of the bus; I'm guessing that this goblin hadn't fired it before and the recoil was jerking his hand something fierce - or he was doing the Hollywood "jerk" as he was pulling the trigger. The last shot was the one that hit Harv in the back of the head... sheer bad luck.
And in over 24 years, as I missed Harv and thought about how I lived longer than he ever had a chance to... (he was killed on Columbus Day weekend - I think of him every year at that time) I never ONCE blamed the gun. I blamed the NY Port Authority supervisor who prevented Harv from carrying his BP revolver (he'd been told a week before to stop). I blamed the idiots who passed the Sullivan Act. I blamed this idiot who thought that a bus transfer was worth a sentence of 25 years to life...
But the gun? Just an inanimate piece of steel that could have been any gun, could have been a knife (although I doubt it... Harv was a Ranger who'd been in Vietnam)... The gun had less to do with Harv's death than the idiot's girlfriend who was egging him on did.
It just never crossed my mind to blame the weapon.
In 1981, a very close friend of mine was shot and killed by an ex-con in NYC. Harv was shot with a .357 which the killer should not have had - being in NYC & being on parole. So much for gun laws preventing a murderous scum from being armed.
Harvey was killed over the price of a bus transfer - stupid reason, really. The killer, one Michael J. DelCarpine (I was at the trial - don't think I'll ever forget this bastard's name) had emptied his revolver at Harv from a distance of about 5 feet, opening up as Harv ran for the rear exit of the bus. Most of the first shots went through the roof of the bus; I'm guessing that this goblin hadn't fired it before and the recoil was jerking his hand something fierce - or he was doing the Hollywood "jerk" as he was pulling the trigger. The last shot was the one that hit Harv in the back of the head... sheer bad luck.
And in over 24 years, as I missed Harv and thought about how I lived longer than he ever had a chance to... (he was killed on Columbus Day weekend - I think of him every year at that time) I never ONCE blamed the gun. I blamed the NY Port Authority supervisor who prevented Harv from carrying his BP revolver (he'd been told a week before to stop). I blamed the idiots who passed the Sullivan Act. I blamed this idiot who thought that a bus transfer was worth a sentence of 25 years to life...
But the gun? Just an inanimate piece of steel that could have been any gun, could have been a knife (although I doubt it... Harv was a Ranger who'd been in Vietnam)... The gun had less to do with Harv's death than the idiot's girlfriend who was egging him on did.
It just never crossed my mind to blame the weapon.
dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
OK, I need to weigh in on this.
In 1981, a very close friend of mine was shot and killed by an ex-con in NYC. Harv was shot with a .357 which the killer should not have had - being in NYC & being on parole. So much for gun laws preventing a murderous scum from being armed.
Harvey was killed over the price of a bus transfer - stupid reason, really. The killer, one Michael J. DelCarpine (I was at the trial - don't think I'll ever forget this bastard's name) had emptied his revolver at Harv from a distance of about 5 feet, opening up as Harv ran for the rear exit of the bus. Most of the first shots went through the roof of the bus; I'm guessing that this goblin hadn't fired it before and the recoil was jerking his hand something fierce - or he was doing the Hollywood "jerk" as he was pulling the trigger. The last shot was the one that hit Harv in the back of the head... sheer bad luck.
And in over 24 years, as I missed Harv and thought about how I lived longer than he ever had a chance to... (he was killed on Columbus Day weekend - I think of him every year at that time) I never ONCE blamed the gun. I blamed the NY Port Authority supervisor who prevented Harv from carrying his BP revolver (he'd been told a week before to stop). I blamed the idiots who passed the Sullivan Act. I blamed this idiot who thought that a bus transfer was worth a sentence of 25 years to life...
But the gun? Just an inanimate piece of steel that could have been any gun, could have been a knife (although I doubt it... Harv was a Ranger who'd been in Vietnam)... The gun had less to do with Harv's death than the idiot's girlfriend who was egging him on did.
It just never crossed my mind to blame the weapon.
In 1981, a very close friend of mine was shot and killed by an ex-con in NYC. Harv was shot with a .357 which the killer should not have had - being in NYC & being on parole. So much for gun laws preventing a murderous scum from being armed.
Harvey was killed over the price of a bus transfer - stupid reason, really. The killer, one Michael J. DelCarpine (I was at the trial - don't think I'll ever forget this bastard's name) had emptied his revolver at Harv from a distance of about 5 feet, opening up as Harv ran for the rear exit of the bus. Most of the first shots went through the roof of the bus; I'm guessing that this goblin hadn't fired it before and the recoil was jerking his hand something fierce - or he was doing the Hollywood "jerk" as he was pulling the trigger. The last shot was the one that hit Harv in the back of the head... sheer bad luck.
And in over 24 years, as I missed Harv and thought about how I lived longer than he ever had a chance to... (he was killed on Columbus Day weekend - I think of him every year at that time) I never ONCE blamed the gun. I blamed the NY Port Authority supervisor who prevented Harv from carrying his BP revolver (he'd been told a week before to stop). I blamed the idiots who passed the Sullivan Act. I blamed this idiot who thought that a bus transfer was worth a sentence of 25 years to life...
But the gun? Just an inanimate piece of steel that could have been any gun, could have been a knife (although I doubt it... Harv was a Ranger who'd been in Vietnam)... The gun had less to do with Harv's death than the idiot's girlfriend who was egging him on did.
It just never crossed my mind to blame the weapon.
+1
A good friend of mine, also a Vietnam vet, was shot and killed in his office in '96 by one of his staff, who then shot and killed himself. (Be careful around IT people when they start to act normal.) The fact that the shooter didn't have a carry license didn't save him; California's gun control laws didn't save him; the fact that it was a gun free zone (a college campus) didn't save him. Neither his wife, who I've also known since before they were married, nor I, nor (to the best of my knowledge) any of their children ever once blamed the gun for it.
There's a long history of this sort of thing, though. In early Massachusetts there are recorded cases of bestiality in which not only the person, but the animal as well were tried, sentenced and executed. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Ken
A good friend of mine, also a Vietnam vet, was shot and killed in his office in '96 by one of his staff, who then shot and killed himself. (Be careful around IT people when they start to act normal.) The fact that the shooter didn't have a carry license didn't save him; California's gun control laws didn't save him; the fact that it was a gun free zone (a college campus) didn't save him. Neither his wife, who I've also known since before they were married, nor I, nor (to the best of my knowledge) any of their children ever once blamed the gun for it.
There's a long history of this sort of thing, though. In early Massachusetts there are recorded cases of bestiality in which not only the person, but the animal as well were tried, sentenced and executed. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Ken
+1
A good friend of mine, also a Vietnam vet, was shot and killed in his office in '96 by one of his staff, who then shot and killed himself. (Be careful around IT people when they start to act normal.) The fact that the shooter didn't have a carry license didn't save him; California's gun control laws didn't save him; the fact that it was a gun free zone (a college campus) didn't save him. Neither his wife, who I've also known since before they were married, nor I, nor (to the best of my knowledge) any of their children ever once blamed the gun for it.
There's a long history of this sort of thing, though. In early Massachusetts there are recorded cases of bestiality in which not only the person, but the animal as well were tried, sentenced and executed. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Ken
A good friend of mine, also a Vietnam vet, was shot and killed in his office in '96 by one of his staff, who then shot and killed himself. (Be careful around IT people when they start to act normal.) The fact that the shooter didn't have a carry license didn't save him; California's gun control laws didn't save him; the fact that it was a gun free zone (a college campus) didn't save him. Neither his wife, who I've also known since before they were married, nor I, nor (to the best of my knowledge) any of their children ever once blamed the gun for it.
There's a long history of this sort of thing, though. In early Massachusetts there are recorded cases of bestiality in which not only the person, but the animal as well were tried, sentenced and executed. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Ken
+1
A good friend of mine, also a Vietnam vet, was shot and killed in his office in '96 by one of his staff, who then shot and killed himself. (Be careful around IT people when they start to act normal.) The fact that the shooter didn't have a carry license didn't save him; California's gun control laws didn't save him; the fact that it was a gun free zone (a college campus) didn't save him. Neither his wife, who I've also known since before they were married, nor I, nor (to the best of my knowledge) any of their children ever once blamed the gun for it.
There's a long history of this sort of thing, though. In early Massachusetts there are recorded cases of bestiality in which not only the person, but the animal as well were tried, sentenced and executed. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Ken
A good friend of mine, also a Vietnam vet, was shot and killed in his office in '96 by one of his staff, who then shot and killed himself. (Be careful around IT people when they start to act normal.) The fact that the shooter didn't have a carry license didn't save him; California's gun control laws didn't save him; the fact that it was a gun free zone (a college campus) didn't save him. Neither his wife, who I've also known since before they were married, nor I, nor (to the best of my knowledge) any of their children ever once blamed the gun for it.
There's a long history of this sort of thing, though. In early Massachusetts there are recorded cases of bestiality in which not only the person, but the animal as well were tried, sentenced and executed. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Ken
Bad gun ! Bad gun ! I'll teach you to shoot people. What, don't like seeing that big blade coming at you ? There, how does that feel?
Why do people always want to blame the gun? If it were a rock used to bash someone's head, would they destroy it too?
Why do people always want to blame the gun? If it were a rock used to bash someone's head, would they destroy it too?
Bad gun ! Bad gun ! I'll teach you to shoot people. What, don't like seeing that big blade coming at you ? There, how does that feel?
Why do people always want to blame the gun? If it were a rock used to bash someone's head, would they destroy it too?
Why do people always want to blame the gun? If it were a rock used to bash someone's head, would they destroy it too?
Bad gun ! Bad gun ! I'll teach you to shoot people. What, don't like seeing that big blade coming at you ? There, how does that feel?
Why do people always want to blame the gun? If it were a rock used to bash someone's head, would they destroy it too?
Why do people always want to blame the gun? If it were a rock used to bash someone's head, would they destroy it too?
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