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Yeah, but maybe we're too hard on average people.... You can be trained to act and assist.. It's not typically human nature. I bet that most people who intervene have some sort of training or life experience where they're expected to act and they do even in situations that don't exactly match their skill set.I hear this kind of sentiment on the news and read it on NES so, so frequently. There are more examples of the bystander effect than there are of the opposite.
Face it: people are unhelpful a-holes more often than not. Thus has it ever been. I'm never surprised when people don't help other people.
I hear this kind of sentiment on the news and read it on NES so, so frequently. There are more examples of the bystander effect than there are of the opposite.
What's wild is the lack of response from anyone.
Yeah, but maybe we're too hard on average people.... You can be trained to act and assist.. It's not typically human nature. I bet that most people who intervene have some sort of training or life experience where they're expected to act and they do even in situations that don't exactly match their skill set.
I've intervened a half dozen times on the outside because no one else did, but you'd rather have @Dench and people like him instead because outside is their skill set.
He's done. Be waiting with his hands behind his back when the cops show up. Murder 1, premeditated. That's my call.I assume this is new, as I'm just now seeing it on Twitter.
I know my opinion, doesn't look good for the shooter.
Watch before it gets taken down:
It wasnt a total shock that they didn't want to help. The majority of firefighters hate EMS. It's just a minority of them who will admit it publicly.
Chest bumping will get you a head butt followed by the knock out uppercut
I have sympathy for the shooter as well. But legally speaking, there was NO threat he needed the gun for. He walked away, grabbed gun, came back. Fired round into the ground, so probably a 'discharge close to domicile' or some such bs gun charge as well.I am NOT justifying the shooters actions and I expect to get flamed for this post, but having dealt with my wife's psycho ex for a decade, I actually have some sympathy for the shooter.... Maybe PTSD on my part, not sure... It's just a visceral reaction. Our struggles ended suddenly when her ex died... Of his own stupidity.
Yeah, agree with all you said.The whole point of the study of social psychology, from Milgram to Darley and Latane, is that you cannot depend on peoples' innate goodness to prevent them from harming others, nor to help those in trouble. The findings are very clear; they're often described as "controversial" not because the results are untrue (you see them repeated every damn day), but because the studies themselves were problematic. And because people simply don't want to believe them.
Training obviously impacts the tendency to help. Unless, apparently, you're a paramedic shooting on a range with @Dench a few weeks back.
I didn't really see an "attack " just a pissed off dad wanted to see his son.......at 3:15 damn it, no later, 3:15Just goes to show you that warning shots, (1 shot at dead guy's feet @ 1:22) in some cases, do nothing to stop a committed attacker...
Then you should know better.
Better to be smart and alive... then pissed off and dead.I didn't really see an "attack " just a pissed off dad wanted to see his son.......at 3:15 damn it, no later, 3:15
If this is a good shoot, I'm moving to TX, I cant stand these solar salesmen coming to my door!
When did Mass outlaw trailer parks? I bet this kind of stuff happens all over, all the time. I'm astounded that one of them is a judge.Oh, as a native Texan, I know better. Everything is bigger and dumber in Texas. Basically Florida with a drawl.
Poor kids didn’t have a single adult to look up to out of the 4 in the damn video. Two hot heads (one an adulterer), and two lackadaisical ladies.
Look, as much as people like to think about Texas as a 'shoot first' state, that's just you being a dumb yankee.Then you should know better.
Replying in particular to your middle paragraph... That was exactly my wife's ex .. The kids were possessions and weapons in his never ending war on her.Better to be smart and alive... then pissed off and dead.
Guy was a loose cannon. My guess is that this had nothing to do with his son, and everything to do with who his ex-wife was screwing. Some guys can't/won't let go...
It was an "ok" shoot. Not a Good shoot or a Great shoot. Just "ok"...
P.S. Texas would be nice...
I don't get you..My entire country is fire/ems it's great. Sure some days I wish I didn't have to do ems but it's not about me, or you, it's about the product to the tax payer. It is a job!! And JFC take the 2 freekin week course and national emt test and move on with it brother!I feel bad for the people who have to deal with the fallout from these two morons. That's who I feel bad for.
In all honesty I hate EMS and I don't think any fire departments should do it. EMS has ruined the fire service. I will not be going to the private academy. 2 reasons. 1, I hate EMS and never want to do a single medical call again (good luck with that, I've done two since I moved down here simply being in the right [wrong?] place at the right time.), and, most importantly, I can't even f***ing apply to a fire department till I get both the fake fire academy refresher done and a new EMT certification that has FL written on it instead of MA.
If a local department said they'd hire me with the conditions that I had X time to get Z certifications I'd do it. But there's no chance I'd do all that shit without a job lined up. FL does it backwards from MA. In MA you cant even go to the academy till after you're hired. You get paid to go to the academy. In FL, you have to dish out thousands of dollars to go to an academy and then after that go looking for a department. I couldnt even afford the schools at this time, either. I'd have to borrow money to do them. They are not cheap.
FL is a licensing nightmare for everything. This state gets a lot right, but it took a shit in it's pants for it's comically complicated certification/licensing schemes. Everything here needs a f***ing FL only license.