loneranger
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VTski4x4
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I'll never be without a Pyr after adopting this girl. Perfect companion for my working dog, and she is 105lbs of teeth and insane PSI bite strength when she wants to be. She loves kids, cats, and small animals she can protect. She dislikes strangers. You know those "unbreakable" bones that large dogs usually destroy but don't break even after months? She's broken 2 of them in half with one bite.
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One of our friends here in MO has Pyrenees and they asked me if wanted a pup. Lots of them out here because of the cattle/sheep/goat/etc farms. They are gentle giants and well mannered unless you're trying to rustle whatever they're tasked to watch. I just wish I had the time and patience for dogs. My life style really won't permit it and it wouldn't be fair to the dog.
VTski4x4
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Pyr vs Pit my money is on the Pyr 100/100 times. Double the weight (males), and double (or more) the bite force. You must have missed the LGD of the year that destroyed 14 yotes on his own and left a trail of dead coyotes 2mi long down Georgia last year. There's a few veterinary articles out of Europe talking about Pyr bite force and how it's never been accurately measured due to their refusal to bite/attack on command. A Pit has a bite force of 235-325psi - Pyrs are on part with Kangals - upwards of 700psi
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VTski4x4
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Pyrs are strange dogs. I love mine, and will never be without one ever again, but they are weird. They are very emotional dogs, and they don't respond to "harsh" corrections like a prong collar or something like that. They don't even like it when you scold them - kind of like a whiney child. They are very independent and happy to roam/live outside, but they also love being with their family/siblings. My golden loves coming places with me and hiking/exploring - Pyr does not, and then she gets uppity until I bring my golden home because he's a "missing flock member" and it stresses her out. Not a great travel dog unless solo.
LT5
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Yeah bro I was honestly just shit posting just to be funny.
If I’m being serious for a minute a Great Pyrenees is no joke and yes I remember the story about the one battling the coyotes.
Lost an eye if I remember right.
I honestly don’t know or even want to know how it would go down.
I can tell you a couple things from experience though.
I’ve taken a few bites from a couple of pits and they’re really nothing to write home about. Possibly just because it’s hard to get a small mouth around a suit.
I’ve had both a Mal and a Shepherd come through the suit and currently have a hole in my bicep from a Mal.
The two things that I’ll say about the pits that I see work is that
1. They are lightning fast when they strike.
2. They do not let go.
I will also say this about big dogs.
(Again just what I see with Presa’s, Corso’s, and Rots.)
They hit like a mule’s kick but, they run out of gas fast.
It takes a lot of energy to move all that mass.
Again though, I love dogs and hope to never find out what would happen.
LT5
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Everything you mentioned are genetic traits of a guardian breed.
Sounds like you got exactly what you paid for which is awesome.
The only thing else I’ll add is that prong collars and e collars are just tools and can be introduced in a way that will classically condition them to think work/fun.
If I could post a video I’d show you my dogs reaction to the e collar.
Literally jumping up and down barking and ramming her head into the collar.
VTski4x4
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She's our first rescue (in a long time), and she's a better dog than many dogs way more expensive. I understand the prong/e collar work - i have our working golden trained with both and he jumps to put them on and has no issue with them. The Pyr walks fine on a leash, doesnt pull, and has as good recall as you can want in a livestock dog (it's actually far better than I hoped/dreamed). She's happiest at home walking the yard, napping, guarding the house. Up Maine, she roams the (fenced) property and enjoys it. She likes going for short walks around Town if it's all 4 of us, but she doesn't have any desire to disappear out the front door. She's a doll lol - and only about 16mos old (def under 2yrs). She does good at keeping those pesky seagulls from flying over the yard
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whatluck
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If we're not talking about severe behavior modification the E collar doesn't make sense until your dog roams 10+ acres. Getting them back inside if a storm is blowing in is really hard. The vibrator function on the e collar is perfect for getting them in the house from a distance. A lot of people use them for hunting the same way.
VTski4x4
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Yep that's the only feature we ever use - vibrate. Just putting the collar on him puts him into "work mode" and he becomes a whole new level of obedient (not that he's wild otherwise)
VTski4x4
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Drunk/stoned parents not paying attention?
LT5
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I gotta disagree on the e collar part.
Lots of working dogs will actually get auditory exclusion when in drive but, using low stim on the e collar just because it’s tactile will get their attention without being aversive.
An e collar can be used as a throttle pedal as well and when used as a correction takes the handler’s emotions out of it.
Like with a prong collar, if the handler gets pissed and cranks on it out of frustration it’s going to hurt but, an e collar set to the correct level will only give that set amount of stim no matter how hard a frustrated handler pushes the button.
It’s an amazing tool and the more I learn about it the more fascinated I get with how useful it is.
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