DoD Authorizes Lethal Force Against Americans

Picton said:
They do.

The military is serious about not wanting to be used that way.
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This has nothing to do with the military itself but who controls the military and issues lawful orders.
Those people don't seem to give a rats rear-end about trampling rights.
 
240Geezer said:
This has nothing to do with the military itself but who controls the military and issues lawful orders.
Those people don't seem to give a rats rear-end about trampling rights.
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That's my point, though.

An order in violation of posse commitatus is an unlawful order.

The people choosing to disobey that order would be, yes, the military itself. They have their own lawyers, and commanders who are eager to stay out of jail.
 
akma said:
Interesting the government is saying they won't certify a Trump win.
I was told US Rep. Jamie Raskin has been pushing this with fervor.
There are a bunch of youtu.be videos on the subject.
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Wasn't that what the Democrats have been screaming about over the last 8 years? Does anyone take these morons seriously about anything?
 
rogersmithiii said:
Wasn't that what the Democrats have been screaming about over the last 8 years? Does anyone take these morons seriously about anything?
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They certainly need to be taken seriously because they are serious about destroying America and won't stop till they do. Look at ate mess we are in and all the damage they have accomplished so far.
 

EMERGENCY MESSAGE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: Call Out Dangerous Executive DoD Directives Put In Place After Biden Was Removed By Deep State Coup​


Alex Jones sends direct message to President Trump to condemn the Defense Department's directive authorizing the U.S. military to use lethal force against American citizens on U.S. soil.

Alex Jones issues an emergency message directly to former President Donald Trump to call out the Biden-Harris regime’s unconstitutional and dangerous Defense Department directive allowing the U.S. military to use lethal force against American citizens. Spread this message far and wide to ensure Trump sees it!

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Watch: RFK Jr. Calls Out DoD Directive Authorizing U.S Military to ‘Shoot and Kill’ American Protesters​

Kennedy condemns authoritarian directive at MAGA rally and criticizes the hypocrisy of Biden-Harris regime calling Trump a dictator while at the same time expanding military authority to use deadly force against anybody who disagrees with Democrat policies

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. condemned the Biden-Harris administration’s authoritarian Defense Department directive to expand U.S. military authority to assist in domestic law enforcement activities and exercise the use of lethal force against Americans.


Speaking during a massive Trump rally in Duluth, Georgia, on Wednesday, Kennedy highlighted the disturbing directive and exposed the Biden regime’s hypocrisy of issuing such a directive while at the same time calling Trump a totalitarian dictator.


“President Harris said today, in her post, in her speech, that President Trump was going to turn the U.S. military against the American public and use the public to promote his agenda,” Kennedy told the crowd, which erupted into a chorus of boos.

“What’s interesting to me is that the Biden-Harris administration has done something two weeks ago that has never been done in American history, which is to send…a directive to the Pentagon changing the law to make it legal for the U.S. military to be used, to use lethal force against American citizens on American soil.”


“Technically, now it’s legal for the U.S. military under this directive, it will become legal for the U.S. military to shoot and kill Americans who engage in political protests because they disagree with policies in the White House!” Kennedy continued.


“I’m not making this up. Any of you can look it up. This is a Democratic initiative. This did not come during the Trump administration. This did not come from Donald Trump. It came from the Democratic Party. And that’s why I left the Democratic Party,” he added, prompting cheers from the crowd.


Alex Jones in an emergency message on Wednesday broke down why it’s so important that Kennedy spoke out against this outrageous DoD directive and how Trump must do the same:

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Harris on Wednesday delivered a brief 3-minute statement parroting a hit piece published by The Atlantic claiming former White House Chief of Staff Gen. John Kelly alleged that Trump once told him he thought “Hitler did some good things,” with an accompanying post on X warning that Trump would “use the military to carry out personal and political vendettas.”

View: https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1849172387683525060?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1849172387683525060%7Ctwgr%5E3711ccf12de40e1b60bd0547dfeb116d8854b225%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fposts%2Fwatch-rfk-jr-calls-out-dod-directive-authorizing-u-s-military-to-shoot-and-kill-american-protesters

Why then did the Biden-Harris regime’s Defense Department issue such a draconian and un-American directive for the U.S. military to use lethal force against American citizens?


Watch RFK Jr.’s full remarks:

View: https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1849252653286461861?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1849252653286461861%7Ctwgr%5E3711ccf12de40e1b60bd0547dfeb116d8854b225%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fposts%2Fwatch-rfk-jr-calls-out-dod-directive-authorizing-u-s-military-to-shoot-and-kill-american-protesters

Watch the Trump rally in full:


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Mountain said:
History forgotten?

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Damn. I mean, I get that the previous generation looked old young, but how do you get a college chippy that looks 35? (Kent State, 1970 for those that don't know.)

And everyone focuses on her. Look at the rest of the "wow, ok, gotta go get some pizza at the DC's" faces. No one is rushing over to help that dude. I've always been fascinated by that in the photo.
 
Dennis in MA said:
Damn. I mean, I get that the previous generation looked old young, but how do you get a college chippy that looks 35? (Kent State, 1970 for those that don't know.)

And everyone focuses on her. Look at the rest of the "wow, ok, gotta go get some pizza at the DC's" faces. No one is rushing over to help that dude. I've always been fascinated by that in the photo.
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She wasn't a college chippy. She was a runaway, passing through campus, who decided to join the protests. She was 14 years old in that photo.

In that photo, she's asking the same thing you are: "why is no one helping him?" That's what she remembers saying. The dude on the left is actually jogging over to give first aid; IIRC, he'd been a medic in Vietnam.
 
You act as if this is something new. It's been that way since 1789 and Shay's Rebellion. IIRC Patton crushed protesters in DC at bayonet point.
 
And you know that the progressives flushed all of the experienced, conservative police officers and military people out, and replaced them with inexperienced, woke, brainwashed "yoots' who were indoctrinated in our woke public schools.

This is all planned, intentional, and wildly successful so far, and Republicans are standing around, sucking their thumbs.
 
After seeing RFK Jr jump into the fray on this I decided to take a look.

My analysis:

While the directive includes stringent approvals, including legal review, and adherence to policies emphasizing protection of civil liberties, it still provides mechanisms that could potentially be misinterpreted or used for control in crisis situations. The Secretary of Defense’s discretionary power, particularly concerning civil disturbances or national emergencies, could theoretically be manipulated. For instance:

• Broad Definitions of Assistance: The vague phrasing around “when lives are endangered” and “exigent circumstances” might offer flexibility that could be used for non-emergency situations under broad interpretations.

• Delegation of Authority: While high-level approvals are generally required, exigent circumstances allow temporary deployment before full authorization, potentially creating loopholes for rapid, unreviewed action.

Conclusion: The directive attempts to balance national security support for domestic law enforcement with safeguards for civil rights, but its language leaves room for interpretations that could facilitate misuse, especially under a less restrained administration. Although oversight structures are in place, the potential for abuse, particularly under exigent circumstances, remains a concern.

So despite Alex Jones’ “EAT MY ASSSSZZZ!” stylings and rhetoric…..he’s got a point. This framework is unprecedented and ripe for abuse. Given the stakes, it deserves attention.
 
As to timing, it seems to preparation for potential instability or unrest.

“The directive’s timing and expanded authorities could be seen as preparation for potential civil unrest or instability, possibly tied to anticipated events or shifts in the national or geopolitical landscape. Having a directive in place allows the DoD to respond swiftly if a crisis arises, including in situations where civilian agencies may be overwhelmed or lack specific capabilities.”

Such as blocking Trump from entering the WH after winning based on being an “insurrectionist” from the Jan 6th accusations/charges.

Seems like a dangerous preparatory step and a stark warning to all who might consider interfering with an open coup: “We are not afraid of using the military against you. Trump will not enter the WH and if you try to stop us you will die”.
 
Q: Which positions would need to be corrupt to use this directive against US citizens on US soil who are protesting?


A: To misuse this directive against U.S. citizens engaged in protests, several high-level officials and decision-makers within the Department of Defense (DoD) and potentially other branches of the government would need to be either complicit or pressured to interpret the directive’s language in ways that support such misuse. The key positions that would play roles in authorizing or facilitating this misuse include:

1. Secretary of Defense: The Secretary has ultimate approval authority for military intelligence support to law enforcement in cases involving potential lethal force or civil disturbances, as specified in the directive. Misuse would require the Secretary to approve military intervention in protests under broad or fabricated claims of threats to public safety or national security.

2. Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security (USD(I&S)): This position provides oversight for DoD intelligence activities and approves intelligence assistance to law enforcement in all but the most serious cases. A corrupt or complicit USD(I&S) could facilitate intelligence collection or support law enforcement requests against protests, particularly by stretching interpretations around “exigent circumstances” or imminent threats.

3. General Counsel of the Department of Defense (GC DoD): As the DoD’s chief legal officer, the General Counsel provides binding legal interpretations on intelligence activities and support to law enforcement. The GC DoD’s office would play a critical role in authorizing intelligence actions, ensuring they are “lawful” and providing legal cover for intervention. Misuse could involve rubber-stamping questionable actions under the pretense of legality.

4. Defense Intelligence Component Heads: Heads of agencies within the DoD, such as the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), have authority to approve intelligence assistance in certain situations and report directly to the USD(I&S). These officials could be involved in providing resources, equipment, or personnel for actions against protests. Complicit Component Heads could initiate intelligence support under broad interpretations of threats, allowing targeting of protest groups.

5. Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Privacy, Civil Liberties, and Transparency: This role is tasked with ensuring intelligence oversight and protecting privacy and civil liberties within the DoD. If compromised, this office could turn a blind eye to or justify questionable intelligence activities, sidestepping necessary oversight that would otherwise prevent the targeting of lawful protests.

6. Civilian Law Enforcement Leadership: Outside the DoD, leadership in agencies like the Department of Justice (DOJ) or the FBI could request DoD assistance under vague claims of public safety risks. Misuse of the directive would likely require collaboration from these civilian agencies, especially if they request or justify military intelligence support to suppress protests.

7. President and National Security Council (NSC): Though not directly involved in operational approvals under the directive, the President has overarching authority to direct the DoD, and the NSC influences national security and military policy. A corrupt administration could pressure the DoD leadership to apply the directive against protests, framing them as security threats to justify intelligence and potentially militarized responses.

8. Commanders of Combatant Commands (if applicable): In extreme scenarios involving military deployments for “civil disturbances,” Combatant Commanders could be ordered to prepare forces or intelligence assets to assist law enforcement. A complicit commander could facilitate improper deployments against civilians, especially if pressured by higher authorities.

For misuse of the directive, a chain of cooperation would be essential, often starting at the top levels of the DoD and potentially involving coordination with civilian agencies. While not every listed official would need to be overtly corrupt, even selective compliance or broad interpretation by key actors could be enough to initiate actions that target protests under a security pretense.
 
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Picton said:
That's my point, though.

An order in violation of posse commitatus is an unlawful order.

The people choosing to disobey that order would be, yes, the military itself. They have their own lawyers, and commanders who are eager to stay out of jail.
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The commanders if nothing else are eager to get promoted.

As far as 'just following orders", I trust the military about as much as I trust the police when it comes to my rights.

A historian would look back on Katrina and Covid as the 2 best examples of a .gov gone mad with power.
 
FalArAk said:
The commanders if nothing else are eager to get promoted.
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Yeah... getting court-martialed is not a good way to do that.

Look, who knows? We have many decades' worth of domestically responsible soldiery that we can point to in an attempt to reassure ourselves that they'll continue to follow that law. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. We'll find out eventually, I imagine.
 
Picton said:
Yeah... getting court-martialed is not a good way to do that.

Look, who knows? We have many decades' worth of domestically responsible soldiery that we can point to in an attempt to reassure ourselves that they'll continue to follow that law. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. We'll find out eventually, I imagine.
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Who is going to court martial a Field Grade officer, the person who gave him/her/it the orders?

That is actually a serious question because I have no idea lol
 
FalArAk said:
Who is going to court martial a Field Grade officer, the person who gave him/her/it the orders?

That is actually a serious question because I have no idea lol
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There's accountability all up and down the chain.

Violating posse commitatus is SERIOUS. Meaning, that's been a quintessential part of the military's culture now for maybe a century or so. Soldiers and leaders at all levels get annual training (it used to be in December) on posse commitatus. The briefings are explicit and direct. Brigade Legal comes out and gives a spiel, then the brigade and battalion commanders, then company commanders reinforce it at their level. Every soldier knows about it, and if they disregard it they'll know it's unlawful (even if they do it anyway).

I would expect pushback at literally every level of command. Senior leaders would object, both on legal grounds and because they would fear erosion of their own authority, leading to possible mutiny. Could it happen? Sure. But there are enough safeguards in place that it would not be possible to do it secretly. There are IGs at every level that would watchdog this.

It's more of an issue than I think you realize.

It's also not really necessary: the National Guard can handle most of that, without the legal complications. So I doubt they'd try.
 
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