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+101 to that.I feel very bad for this guy.. would not want to be put in that situation.
I'm not familiar with the intricacies of AZ law, but I would think that the continum of force that LEOs are constrained by does not apply to civilians. If Mr. Fish felt that his life was in danger and escape was not an option, then I'd think he would be justified in using deadly force.This is true, however the BG was 30 yards away, (3 seconds), Mr. Fish is old and probably not very strong.
The defendant in the Westfall dam case paid a $50 civil fine for posession of the gun on federal property after shooting a dog in self defense, however, one must consider that he retained the services of a high powered attorney.Needless to say, we un-assed the area ASAP. I wasn't armed that day, and later on I re-read the Army Corps of Engineers rules on the area, which prohibit firearms. Well, guess what, now I carry whenever I am in an exposed area like that, f*** the rules.
That's what it all comes down to, lots of cash and a good lawyer.The defendant in the Westfall dam case paid a $50 civil fine for posession of the gun on federal property after shooting a dog in self defense, however, one must consider that he retained the services of a high powered attorney.
We are grounded in reality dear. We live in MA. MA reality is that you're guilty unless you've got 101 witnesses that will swear that you were defending your life. Reality in MA is (in most cities and towns) that you're instantly evil because you're a gun owner. Reality in MA is you don't have the right to defend your life or others. Reality in MA is the perp has more rights than you do. THAT'S reality in MA.You guys need to get grounded in reality.
Not really. Hollowpoints are legal to posess and purchase in NJ, but they are restricted to posession in ones home/property, use at a range and transporting them to and from ones property and range.NJ prohibits Hollowpoints?
Plus, on the TV version of the story, they said the guy was yelling he was going to kill Mr. Fish as he was running at him. Did he have a choice? It is his word vs. a dead guy's.This is true, however the BG was 30 yards away, (3 seconds), Mr. Fish is old and probably not very strong. In his mind a charging lunatic could only be stopped by a sidearm. Pepper spray in this case probably would have just made the attacker more angry.
Remember this all happened pretty quickly. It wasn't like he was condition orange or red and walking through south central. He was on a relaxing walk in the woods not even in condition white then all hell broke loose.
3 horses mauled by dog at Md. farm...I hear noise coming up behind me, just something hauling ass up the trail making a lot of running type noises.
I'm like...what the hell...?? Well two dogs come bounding around the corner and basically run right up to me, with one standing up and jumping all around me. ...
I was somewhat off balance for a moment though and wondering if I was going to get bitten. ...
I am not prone to panic but I was unnerved that these dogs came on me so fast, out in the middle of nowhere.
... She really had NO control over them at all.
...But it IS scary when you have dogs coming straight at you with no attempt to stop or slow down. You have no idea if they are coming in for a bite or to be friendly.
Message to dog owners: Keep them under control (on leashes) or leave them home!
The assailant said he was going to kill Mr. Fish (as he charged towards Mr. Fish) (according to Mr. Fish).I'm not familiar with the intricacies of AZ law, but I would think that the continum of force that LEOs are constrained by does not apply to civilians. If Mr. Fish felt that his life was in danger and escape was not an option, then I'd think he would be justified in using deadly force.
Too bad for the other guy.
I bet Scrivener's ears just perked up a little now.That's what it all comes down to, lots of cash and a good lawyer.
This sounds like the Attorney dodged that issue, if it was ever broughtThere wre reports that some of the jurors found him guilty on the fact he was carrying hp ie he wanted to cause pain and suffering.
I stand correctedSlight correction. It wasn't the Geneca Convention but the Hague Convention. I don't believe the United states ever signed it.
Laws of War :
Declaration on the Use of Bullets Which Expand or Flatten Easily in the Human Body; July 29, 1899
Declare as follows:
The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions.