Thank you. That's a lot more about the different Kahr models than I knew previously.
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Disabling S&W Shield Safety
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Thank you. That's a lot more about the different Kahr models than I knew previously.
dcmdon
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You are very welcome.
One other thing I forgot to mention. Once I figured out I would not be carrying the PM9 in my pocket, I sold it and went back to the P9. Which I still own.
Finally, Kahr offers a GREAT deal to NRA pistol instructors. $410 for either the P9 or PM9. Thats over $150 under dealer cost.
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One other thing I forgot to mention. Once I figured out I would not be carrying the PM9 in my pocket, I sold it and went back to the P9. Which I still own.
Finally, Kahr offers a GREAT deal to NRA pistol instructors. $410 for either the P9 or PM9. Thats over $150 under dealer cost.
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So looking at the Kahr website (which is running dog slow for me, strange) - is the only real difference on the less expensive models the traditional vs polygonal rifling?
Not happening. There are enough "bweah bweah ill never own a gwock" whiners that would still buy the shield. I think the Shield is one of the best guns they have running, actually.... the only thing I hate about it is that ****ing safety. Why they don't offer a SKU that doesn't have it, is beyond me.
Not to mention, Smith has made a nice landing spot for all the LC9 owners to land in.... and there are still thousands of people who have to jettison those... so they need somewhere to go.
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-Mike
The CWs have crappier sights, a MIM slide stop, conventionally rifled barrel, and the rollmarks on the slides are chinsier. The CW is still a pretty competent alternative, IMHO, if the cash is a consideration.
-Mike
dcmdon
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Mike nailed it.
One other thing. The P series these days seems to be coming with 3 mags and the CW only 1. The Ps come with 2 flush fitting and one +1 mag. I've also noticed that the CWs frames have less cosmetic finishing than the Ps. You may find a piece of mold flash on the interior of a CW frame that would have been cut and sanded off on a P.
I shot a CW for the first time about 4 years ago at a show. The Kahr rep told me that the bottom end was identical between the two guns. They shoot exactly the same. I've only owned Ps because with a NRA instructor certification and the discount it gets you, the P is a no brainer. (The CW is not on the instructor list)
One other thing. The P series these days seems to be coming with 3 mags and the CW only 1. The Ps come with 2 flush fitting and one +1 mag. I've also noticed that the CWs frames have less cosmetic finishing than the Ps. You may find a piece of mold flash on the interior of a CW frame that would have been cut and sanded off on a P.
I shot a CW for the first time about 4 years ago at a show. The Kahr rep told me that the bottom end was identical between the two guns. They shoot exactly the same. I've only owned Ps because with a NRA instructor certification and the discount it gets you, the P is a no brainer. (The CW is not on the instructor list)
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I find myself wanting a Kahr now but I have no logical reason whatsoever to get one. For a pocket gun I carry a J-frame, for a compact carry gun I've got a G26, or if I want more capacity there's the G19.
I say do it! In my experience the PM9/CM9 is vastly superior to the j frame. It's more concealable, faster reloads, and much better sights/accuracy(plus availability of night sights). I had size comparison pictures in a thread a few years ago, I'll try and find them.
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This has nothing to do with the original post but one thing I didn't see mentioned above is the legal issue and how it would play in court if the safety was disabled. I would imagine if unfortunate enough to have had to use it in a self defense situation, one would be ripped a new one by the bad guys (or dead bad guys family) lawyers over it. You know the drill...."with the safety disabled you hunted for people to kill" kind of thing. A very Massachusetts mind set for a lot of people.
Maybe in MA... I would imagine that a decent layer could easily make the case that Glocks don't even have a safety to begin with and thousands of LEOs carry them and aren't hunting people. There's nothing wrong with a gun without a safety and there are tons of models along with some clear rationale why one would choose not to have one. I don't think you'd be butchered in court over that. Plus in many good self defense shoots, the victim doesn't even get taken to the station or have their gun taken from them, so no one would know to begin with.
Everyone repeats this ayoob glue fumes stuff over and over but then in the end provides very few cases to back it up.
IMO the only time (sane) gun mods would become a genuine problem is if you didn't "intend" to shoot someone and had an ND, it would push the negligence bar against you.
-Mike
dcmdon
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One thing I was surprised by was the time the defense in the Zimmerman case spent asking the "weapons expert" about the trigger weight of his Kel Tec. It must have been worked on because i believe it was 4.5lbs. He pushed her into admitting that the gun GZ carried was "safe". She concurred.
skip to 28:00 ish.
skip to 28:00 ish.
dcmdon
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ok. here's the prosecution redirect.
start at 42:30 and ask yourself if you want to carry a firearm for self defense that is different from "normal" in any way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOtDPKIxzzQ
start at 42:30 and ask yourself if you want to carry a firearm for self defense that is different from "normal" in any way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOtDPKIxzzQ
George Z's case? Seriously? There's also this false belief that somehow gun function affects the outcome of a case. It really doesn't. You either meant to shoot someone or you didn't, it's that simple.
There were a bunch of nippleheads whining about Harold Fish carrying a 10mm, compared to the rest of the problems he faced, it pretty much was nothing.
-Mike
Rumor has it they're coming out with a no safety shield.
Probably not compliant for MA dealer sales.
Sounds like Smith is smartening up. Killing the Compact models and now this. Wow. Such innovation. Many smart.
And they didn't really beat Glock to the punch. Glock haters will always gravitate toward Smith and create this new market. Ruger already has the POS LC9
Why am I thinking then if the Glock needs 3 safties (drop, trigger blade, firing pin block) to be complaint? Maybe that's for importation? My brain is fried.
The Shield without safety still probably has the firing pin block, trigger blade, and the drop safety.
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They're figuring out where they went retarded and fixing it, apparently... first the BG380 upgrade, now this.
I don't think it's that, really. Price point is a big part of it. Even if Glock comes out with a single stack 9mm it will not be $375 or whatever the shield costs, it'll probably be $50-75 more than that easy. They won't compete with one another anyways because anyone that is brutally serious about size as a selling point is not going to be buying a shield anyways. The shield kinda stands alone in its
size class anyways, the LC9 is such a POS it's not even worth mentioning in the same sentence.
None of that has anything to do with CMR940.
-Mike
Yeah I agree. And yeah the LC9 is an abomination. It's funny because the SR series are such reliable handguns. Oh well. I have no issue concealing my SR9c as do many others. Some like M&P and that's fine. Do the 17rd mags in the MP9 fit in the compact model etc like Glock?
dcmdon
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As do the SR9 and SR9C.
Don
p.s. I don't get everyone talking about this like a single stack 9mm with no safety is a big deal. Kahr came out with the P9 in like 1998.
Don
p.s. I don't get everyone talking about this like a single stack 9mm with no safety is a big deal. Kahr came out with the P9 in like 1998.
