disabling a firearm?

[ColdDayInHell]

This^^^^^^^^^^^

Once they're gone, he'll never get them back. If his dad didn't want him to have and keep them I'm sure he would have said or done something to facilitate that. Absent that, its safe to assume his dad wanted him to keep the guns.

Yep.

 

[JSnaxx]

Lie, tell him it's illegal to just destroy the guns, and they have to be transferred to someone with a license or he can go to jail. Then take ownership of them. I know ling is bad... But this is truly for the greater good.

 

[Terminator03]

Lie, tell him it's illegal to just destroy the guns, and they have to be transferred to someone with a license or he can go to jail. Then take ownership of them. I know ling is bad... But this is truly for the greater good.

That's clever and sounds quite plausible in this f'd up state!

 

[Rob Boudrie]

The FID would probably work for all but the Garand.

Why? The Garand is an 8 round low capacity rifle.

 

[Terminator03]

Why? The Garand is an 8 round low capacity rifle.

I guess that I stand corrected, then. I was just thinking it had something to do with the semi-auto nature, or the ability to be high cap.

 

[weldingmachine]

How about a short rod in the barrel, with a little tack weld on the end? (something that can be removed once he get's his wits about him & gets an FID)?
I'll tack them for free, just to preserve them, it'd be a shame to destroy them.
Seriously

 

[ColdDayInHell]

How about a short rod in the barrel, with a little tack weld on the end? (something that can be removed once he get's his wits about him & gets an FID)?
I'll tack them for free, just to preserve them, it'd be a shame to destroy them.
Seriously

Nice!

 

[Golddiggie]

How about a short rod in the barrel, with a little tack weld on the end? (something that can be removed once he get's his wits about him & gets an FID)?
I'll tack them for free, just to preserve them, it'd be a shame to destroy them.
Seriously

IMO, doing that to a M1 would ruin it, or at least make it's value so far below what it otherwise would be. If he doesn't trust his brother around the guns, then tell him to get a safe and have him keep the keys with him at all times. Or give the second key/combo to a friend/relative that he CAN trust so that someone else also knows how to open it.

 

[stinger35]

Put an orange cap on the ends, and a pack of air soft BB's beside them.

Convince him to get his FID.

 

[saltydude]

Decided PM would be more appropriate.

 

[daveyburt]

I floated the idea of another one of his brothers getting their permit - we'll see where that goes. I'd like to see them stay in the family.

From the sounds of it, there may be may ways to disable them and the law is vague (surprise, surprise). Hopefully, it doesn't get to that point.

Thanks for the opinions, and to those who offered assistance. As usual, the NES karma is strong. -Much appreciated!

 

[Len-2A Training]

guys - i know - i felt a little nauseous asking the question.
I feel the same as you do. He asked me what needs to be done to disable them. I'd like to answer his question first, then tell him about the sin he's about to commit.

If his brother wasn't such a drunkard, I'm sure he'd have his permit....but....
:/

The only "clear answer" would be to dewat them in accordance with BATFE regs. Anything less than that could be subject to a PD/ADA prosecuting as illegal possession of a gun without a license.

Cheaper to get shall issue FID than the other path. BTW he respects his father??...clearly not as he is planning on destroying stuff that was near and dear to him.

Maybe I'm missing something here. Why FID, when LTC cost just as much also requires the same course, etc. I don't see anything where the person wouldn't qualify for a LTC. Why settle for tube-steak when you are paying for fillet mignon?

Tell him if he does not want them to shoot just remove the firing pins get a FID OR LTC but not to destroy good guns.

Removing a firing pin won't fly. They will claim it's an easy fix to make it operational and prosecute successfully in a MA court! See Rob's reply below.

Making it a non-gun (De-milling) under federal law will require that you do things to those guns that will bring tears to a grown man's eyes. State law just requires it be "non-operable", but if vague on how far away from "non-operable" is required. This is why stripped frames are clearly non-guns under MGL, and why he MSP or Boston crime lab needs to certify a gun as operational for prosecution. The real issue is how does one do it so obviously that any LE agency would recognize it, but not destroy the gun. When you consider the high profile arrests for rocket launcher tubes labeled "INERT" and for 37mm flare guns (mistaking them for 40mm grenade launchers), I would say this is an impossible task.

Agreed, that's why going for a LTC or get them out of MA is the only good solution.

 

[Tyke]

Only reason I went with FID in this case is that if someone does not want to be licensed it is a lot easier to convince them. Can work on them later...after the guns are saved intact. I agree LTC is best approach in most cases.

 

[speedy]

I know they were his dad, and they have sentimental value. He is clearly not a firearms person, if you want to use that term. What is the point on keeping them damaged on purpose for the sake of having the item. He should entrust them to someone that can take care of them, shoot them with his friend on occasions. Eventually he might get a license and really appreciate them.

 

[daveyburt]

Thanks for the lingo Len (dewat)

Page two of the link below talks about deactivation for anyone interested - I know you're not interested in 'doing' it (hahaha) but, just to see their definition.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-10.pdf

Looks like you can make them re-serviceable later - if neutered correctly I'd assume.

 

[Wrench75]

For the love of God do everything short of stealing the rifle to keep him from destroying the Garand!

 

[Hush]

WHAT GUNS? My dad didn't have any guns.

That

 

[MisterHappy]

I was in a somewhat similar position, where a WWII Vet's kid wanted Dad's gun to find an appreciative home.

I told him (Dad) that I would keep it, and the "story" that came with it, and pass it on, as I did with my dad's stuff.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Here is the link to the page this is from. It appears that you have to have an armorer inspect it after the work is done and they give you a certificate saying it is inoperable. Making your Firearm Permanently Inoperable

Very useful information if you want to make sure you gun is rendered operable according to the standards of Australia and want an Aussie non-gun certificate.

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Here is the link to the page this is from. It appears that you have to have an armorer inspect it after the work is done and they give you a certificate saying it is inoperable. Making your Firearm Permanently Inoperable

Very useful information if you want to make sure you gun is rendered operable according to the standards of Australia and want an Aussie non-gun certificate.

 

[BriMac]

The easy answer is to get a FID or give them to someone with a license.
The only way to now to deactivate a firearm in the eyes of the ATF is 3 torch cuts
to the receiver. What MA. would consider a non firearm is a guess. I would not to have to spend money/ time in a court room arguing that my dads pistol that is missing the firing pin is not a pistol.

 

[Wrench75]

Very useful information if you want to make sure you gun is rendered operable according to the standards of Australia and want an Aussie non-gun certificate.

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Very useful information if you want to make sure you gun is rendered operable according to the standards of Australia and want an Aussie non-gun certificate.

LOL that's great. I scrolled rite in to the body of the page and completely missed the header. Nice catch.