Derek should start the NES Police Force.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ferrari8mar08,0,3717162.story?page=1&coll=la-home-headlines

Another Turn in Ferrari Saga
Investigators in the wreck of a showpiece car ask how a small firm started a police department and find that it's quite easy.
By Richard Winton and David Pierson, Times Staff Writers
March 8, 2006


Sheriff's officials investigating the crash of a Ferrari in Malibu last month are asking how a small private transit company could create its own police department and allegedly hand out law enforcement identification to civilians, including the car's owner.

According to Yosef Maiwandi, it wasn't as difficult as you might think.

The San Gabriel Valley Transit Authority is a tiny, privately run organization that provides bus rides to disabled people and senior citizens. It operates out of an auto repair shop.

Maiwandi is the owner of Homer's Auto Service in Monrovia and is also one of three San Gabriel Valley Transit Authority commissioners.

Maiwandi said he started the nonprofit organization after receiving a bus in a trade for several motorcycles. He decided to use that bus and four others he later purchased to help transport disabled people in his community. The transit agency has memorandums of understanding with Sierra Madre and Monrovia to transport disabled people.

He said he formed the San Gabriel Valley Transit Authority Police Department shortly afterward in part because he has long been interested in police work. He also found that having a police department allowed him to do background checks on potential volunteers more quickly and seek federal money for security on the buses.

It is there where the story of the little transit authority intersects with the story of the rare Ferrari, which crashed last month in Malibu.

The Ferrari's owner, Stefan Eriksson, showed deputies a card stating that he was deputy police commissioner of the San Gabriel Transit Authority Police's anti-terrorism division. A few minutes after the crash, two other men who said they were with Homeland Security appeared at the scene and eventually took Eriksson away.

"We are just trying to help people," Maiwandi said, adding that he feels his agency is being unfairly tarnished because of his association with the Ferrari crash. "I wish he was driving a Corvette."

Maiwandi said he came in contact with Eriksson from another member of the transit board, Eriksson's civil attorney, Ashley Posner. Neither Posner nor Eriksson would comment.

Maiwandi said Eriksson approached him with an offer. Eriksson volunteered to install free surveillance cameras and a "facial recognition scan" — which could compare a person's image to one depicted in a wanted poster — on a bus to show law enforcement agencies how that could be helpful in catching criminals. He said he had given a similar system to transit agencies in England.

After a background check on Eriksson came back clean, Maiwandi said, he told the businessman he could use the authority's five buses to install the equipment.

In return for his volunteer efforts, Eriksson was made a deputy commissioner of the police department and given business cards. But Maiwandi denied that the other two men who said they were with Homeland Security had anything to do with his organization.

Although the department's website suggests that it is a fully functioning police agency, Maiwandi acknowledged that it consists of six people, including himself and the chief, who he said is a former Los Angeles police officer who volunteers his services.

State public utility regulations allow transit agencies to create police departments — even if they are not certified by the state's central training body for peace officers.

Typically, such private police departments are established by universities — such as Stanford, USC and Whittier College — or transit agencies like the Napa Valley Railroad.

But forming a police department is not as big a deal as it might seem.

State officials said police agencies cannot arrest people unless their personnel meet training and hiring standards set down by state law.

Most local police agencies are certified by California's Commission on Police Officer Standards and Training. But Alan Deal, a spokesman for the agency, said the San Gabriel Valley Transit Authority Police Department has not been certified.

Without meeting state standards, a police officer has few powers beyond that of a security guard, who can carry weapons and make citizen's arrests.

Deal said that his agency has discovered that several railroad agencies around California have created police departments — even though the companies have no rail lines in California to patrol. The police certification agency is seeking to decertify those agencies because it sees no reason for them to exist in California.

The issue of private transit firms creating police agencies has in recent years been a concern in Illinois, where several individuals with criminal histories created railroads as a means of forming a police agency.

Eriksson, 44, is a former executive with the video game machine company Gizmondo who left the firm shortly before a Swedish newspaper ran allegations that he had been convicted of counterfeiting a decade before in Sweden. Officials at the Swedish National Police confirmed Tuesday that he has a criminal record.

No one was injured when the rare Ferrari Enzo smashed into a power pole on Pacific Coast Highway at 162 mph. But the case continues to generate interest because the Ferrari is one of only 400 built, and detectives have struggled to understand what happened.

Eriksson told investigators he was a passenger in the Ferrari and that the driver was a man named Dietrich, who fled. But officials have been skeptical, noting that Eriksson had a bloody lip and the only blood found was on the driver's side air bag.

The transit authority is being examined by detectives on the Ferrari case as well as the sheriff's homeland security division.

And those officials aren't the only one curious.

Shelly Verrinder, executive director of Access Services, a county agency that provides transportation for the disabled, said she first heard of the San Gabriel Valley Transit Authority more than a month ago when a rider from an advisory committee said she used it.

Verrinder asked her staff to inquire about the transit authority, thinking that Access might work with the agency in the future.

So Verrinder had one of her staffers set up an appointment to meet the transit authority last Thursday at the Monrovia location — the auto shop — to receive a tour of the agency's facility. But before they met, a transit authority official called to cancel the meeting, saying that the group was preparing for an audit.

The rider from the advisory committee was Temple City resident Patricia Lafrance. She said she has used the transit authority buses about a dozen times over the last month.

"The experience has been wonderful," Lafrance, 63, said.
 
so all we need are a couple busses to get ourselves registered a transit company, then we can establish our own private police force!! LEGALLY!
what is this? Columbia!!
 
So all we have to do is create...

"Northeast Shooters Transit Authority"

A non profit organization, dedicated to helping less fortunate shooters with transportation to ranges and matches!

That would be pretty funny. The NES police would be FAR better armed, and trained than the rest of the states LEO's!

Eriksson told investigators he was a passenger in the Ferrari and that the driver was a man named Dietrich, who fled. But officials have been skeptical, noting that Eriksson had a bloody lip and the only blood found was on the driver's side air bag.

Ummmm if you were in a car that hit a telephone pole at 162MPH you might just get a bloody lip, weather you are the driver or passenger!
 
Adam,

Sadly true that most here on NES are better qualified at shooting than the vast majority of LEOs in MA!
 
Drive Defensively, get a Tank.

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LenS said:
Adam,

Sadly true that most here on NES are better qualified at shooting than the vast majority of LEOs in MA!


hen I met Badllama at AFS to FA10 my USP TAC, I met a buddy who is a LEO on Nantucket, he was with a friend of his from the island, while we shooting, I asked my bud where he found this guy, seems like he never shot a gun in his life..... he was a cop.
 
Skald said:
when I tell people that overall most private gun owners shoot better than police they are shocked and refuse to beleive me.

Yeah - I get that response to. I even tell them about the guys I've seen at Bob's getting ready for the qual's. It hasn't been every one of them, but sadly, it's most of them.
 
Skald said:
when I tell people that overall most private gun owners shoot better than police they are shocked and refuse to beleive me.

When we were in IL, SWMBO ran for mayor of a small town. She was as shocked as anybody when the two home-town boys split the vote, and she won based on the 'disgruntled' remainder. Anyway, once in office, she was floored to find out the local police dept hadn't had a qualification, or even a familiarization shoot, in five years. THAT changed quickly.
 
Ray P said:
When we were in IL, SWMBO ran for mayor of a small town. She was as shocked as anybody when the two home-town boys split the vote, and she won based on the 'disgruntled' remainder. Anyway, once in office, she was floored to find out the local police dept hadn't had a qualification, or even a familiarization shoot, in five years. THAT changed quickly.

Good for her!!
 
Forget all the other suff... Get this idea started so we can start buying stuff on LEO credentials!!! I'd pay for and get good training for this opportunity. I always wanted to get my EMT certification and have been considering it again recently and have questioned if such a cert would allow me to purchase stuff not available to me on my LTC.

Regards,
Chris
 
ChristosX said:
Forget all the other suff... Get this idea started so we can start buying stuff on LEO credentials!!! I'd pay for and get good training for this opportunity. I always wanted to get my EMT certification and have been considering it again recently and have questioned if such a cert would allow me to purchase stuff not available to me on my LTC.

Regards,
Chris
Nope.
 
+1. Anything that an EMT can buy any person can buy. Except for agency specific items like uniforms. Anything that a paramedic can use that an EMT can't has to be bought by someone holding a license from the DEA and the MA equivalent or obtained from an in hospital pharmacy. Even medical Oxygen requires either a prescription or purchase by a licensed entity like an ambulance service.

As to forming our own police department it's much harder here than in California. AFAIK, the MBTA, other regional transit PDs (if there are any), and even the late MDC police were all created by acts of the legislature. In those cases, powers and areas of jurisdiction are spelled out by law. College PDs can be formed by the colleges, but their police powers have to be granted by an existing law enforcement agency. For example BUPD officers are special Boston police officers, Harvard PD officers are special Cambridge POs, and so on. At one time, but I don't know if it's still true, Northeastern University POs were special Suffolk County deputies. Hospital security officers where they have police powers operate under the same rules.

I'm not 100% sure if all of them have to go to a Reserve/Intermittant or full time academy, but I think they do.

Len or Jon probably know more about that than I do.

Gary
 
ChristosX said:
Militia anyone?

But... but... we ARE the militia!!!

Aren't we?

Hm...
male - check.
Between 15 & 45 (last definition I read) - check.
Able-bodied... uh, oh... do I really have to march far? can't I just sit & shoot? It worked for the shopkeepers in LA!

Grinning, ducking and limping,

Ross
 
From: Wikipedia
A militia is a group of citizens organized to provide paramilitary service. The word can have four slightly different meanings:

1. An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers
2. The national police forces in Russia, and other CIS countries, and the Soviet Union: Militsiya
3. The entire able-bodied population of a state, which can be called to arms against an invading enemy.
4. A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government

In any of these cases, a militia is distinct from a national regular army. It can serve to supplement the regular military, or it can oppose it, for example to resist a military coup. In some circumstances, the "enemies" against which a militia is mobilized are domestic political opponents of the government, such as strikers. In many cases the role, or even the existence of a militia, is controversial.


Sure, we ARE the militia so at what point does consumer protection contradict the second amendment and at what point do AG lists and regulations impede the creation/formation/organization/of same? It seems to me that the definition of militia in Massachusetts has been compromised and emasculated, (sorry Lynne, Mrs. WW and the rest of the "sisters") severely limiting its value as an institution. How disappointed the founding founders would be if they could witness this destruction of freedom all to promote a political ideology that celebrates surrender of power to the very government those same fathers died to create.

Regards,
Chris

Thank you to all who read the above rant. It has been a few weeks since I have complained like this. I feel better now.
 
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ChristosX said:
Thank you to all who read the above rant. It has been a few weeks since I have complained like this. I feel better now.

It does help a bit from time to time. [smile] Doesn't change the crap we go through, but at least we can b*tch together. [wink]
 
From the Mass. General Laws

CHAPTER 33. MILITIA

II. ORGANIZATION

Section 2. The militia of the commonwealth shall consist of all able-bodied male citizens and all other able-bodied males who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, between the ages of seventeen and forty-five, and who are residents of the commonwealth, and of such other persons, male and female, as may, upon their own application, be enlisted or commissioned therein pursuant to any provision of this chapter, subject, however, to such exemptions as are now, or may be hereafter, created by law.

Section 3. The militia shall consist of two classes, namely, the organized militia, composed and organized as provided in this chapter, and the remainder, to be known as the unorganized militia. The unorganized militia shall not be subject to duty except in case of war, actual or threatened, invasion, the prevention of invasion, the suppression of riots, and the assisting of civil officers in the execution of the laws.
 
EMTs - yes you can carry sharp, pointed scissors . . . something that mere peons are forbidden in certain locations! [No, you can't buy guns/ammo on EMT credentials.]

Many colleges get their officers sworn in under MGLs as "Special State Police Officers", this gives them powers on ANY campus property or at ANY college event in the state (e.g. BC sometimes used the Patriot's Stadium for a game). All such officers must by MGLs go thru at least the R/I Academy. Most colleges (or at least the larger Boston area colleges) send their officers to a full-time academy.

Lynne, sorry hun, but back in the day when our Country was founded, women were not treated as equals and IIRC the militia back then was defined as men only. [I don't agree that it should be that way, but historically it was that way. It also had an age limit (45 sounds right), but most men didn't live much longer than that statistically in those days.]
 
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