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And running in a loop through their minds is “F*ck this noise. I don’t get paid enough for this sh/t. “Get home safely” is starting to make a lot of sense.”
Can you blame him?
A service pistol versus an AR?
Isn’t that what’s taught in Massachusetts? How many people here have said they would walk away and not get involved?I'd eat a wadcutter if I ever ran from the sounds of gunshots and screaming children.
While we’re on the subject of cops shooting themselves would it be OK if I made a quick run through the Police Serving and Protecting thread and picked out a few cops?I won't feel the slightest sadness if we hear in the next few days that he had a "gun cleaning accident" and washed his own mouth out with a JHP.
"He Never Went In": Officer On Duty Filmed "Doing Nothing" During Florida Shooting"As is his right, Scot Peterson chose to resign, because he has the necessary time with the agency and meets the requirements of retirement, he resigned and retired."
"We're not going to disclose the video at this time, and we may never disclose the video depending on the prosecution and the criminal case."
... there’s still a lot of good men and women out there who would’ve entered without hesitating to save those kids. Police and non-police also if given the chance.
Don't cops have AR's in their squad cars?? Couldn't he have simply gone out to said vehicle and retrieved his AR and THEN gone in and done his F'ing job??
You knew the assignment when you took the job.It’s a shit sandwich any way you look at it ...
There is no defense to the cop staying outside. None. Hopefully he suck starts his glock in the near future.
Let’s stop the nonsense.
1. It’s not even true. Cops are routinely NOT held responsible for rounds they shoot, even in situations where they shouldn’t be shooting anyways.
2. I doubt a cop actively engaging a school shooter would even be questioned.
Do we even know about how many from the Pulse Night Club shooting were shot by cops yet?
Exactly what I don’t want to happen is a cop hiding allowing someone to murder 17 people without resistance.
Wow.
The issue with this is that the officers are responsible for every round that comes out of their firearms. So if you’re joe bag of donuts the cop and you’re emptying mags down a looong school hallway without having a clear and good shot, those rounds have to stop somewhere, and with kids and teachers hunkering down in every room how many of those pistol rounds fired inaccurately down a hallway are going to stop in a child or a teacher.
Exactly what we don’t want to happen and even though they (cops) have only seconds or moments to think, act and fire under a high degree of stress, the DA’s and investigators will have weeks and months to go over every single detail of the ballistics and forensics and God help you if 3,4,5 or any of those victims come back to your service weapon.
It’s a shit sandwich any way you look at it, sometimes you just have to cover it with ketchup and eat the f**king thing.
You’re shitting me.
Not to go all “it’s for the children!” on this, but INNOCENT PEOPLE GOT MURDERED BY AN ANIMAL. While this Dudley Do-right just sat there and listened. Hell doesn’t have a fire hot enough.
If his first thought was to go CYA and worry about blue-on-blue from his service weapon, then he lacks the intestinal fortitude for this work.
Frankly, I hope the memory of the screams never gives him a moment’s peace. “God help you if?” You’ve got to be kidding.
Alvin York:Can you blame him?
A service pistol versus an AR?
Really? Seems they will fling lead around everywhere when theres no one to shoot back. Nothing really happens to them, towns and cities taxpayers may get hammered with paying off the lawsuits, but for the actual cops, nothing.The issue with this is that the officers are responsible for every round that comes out of their firearms.
Is that really his "job" though. It always appears to me its containment then clean up. Could be wrong. How long did it take for LEO to get into the Florida night club? The conflicting times for Los Vegas ,Don't cops have AR's in their squad cars?? Couldn't he have simply gone out to said vehicle and retrieved his AR and THEN gone in and done his F'ing job??
I've been told by multiple instructors, there's a good chance you're going to hit a kid in this type of situation. You'll have to live with it, as long as you stop the attacker, it's a numbers game.
I know it would get all blown up here, but if one kid gets hit (odds of dieing from a pistol are very low ~4%) and you save 30, I'd call it a 'win'. It sucks, but you saved 30.
edit: I'd call this guy a coward to his face and hope he swung.
I'd eat a wadcutter if I ever ran from the sounds of gunshots and screaming children.
Sure it’s possible, but personally I’d never tell them that during training. I’d rather teach them to suck it up, get inside, be smart, communicate, use their body armor properly (it can be used wrong) use good trigger and target discipline and remember that we’re not in Iraq, this is America, there is no spray and pray here, make sure you can hit what you’re shooting at or keep moving toward the threat until you can, even if you’re hit, doesn’t mean your dead, deal with that later, keep closing the distance and do your job.
i think a lot of you guys out there would learn a lot about yourselves the next time you're at the range...put your pistol down on the firing line and back up 10 paces...do side straddle hops (jumping jacks) for 1 single minute...no rest time, step up to your pistol and try to get a round on paper...not so easy anymore with all that adrenaline in your body is it? lost some acute motor function in your extremities, did you?
I’m not arguing past events, I’m stating what I teach and how it should be taught, to not go emptying mags without a clear threat and clear target to mitigate friendly casualties. I’m just one man trying to teach them the right way, don’t ball me up over the entirety of the US state of policing.
My statement about it being a shit sandwich was to say that cops still have to go in and do it the best they can even if it is. Not to hide, not to cower, take your training and your tools and go get it done smartly. I think you may have misunderstood my meaning.
Regardless, I’m not the pin cushion for your anger, I’m trying to add some actual experience of responding to these things and clearing up the picture a little for everyone’s understanding of just how f**ked up this was handled.
Really? Seems they will fling lead around everywhere when theres no one to shoot back. Nothing really happens to them, towns and cities taxpayers may get hammered with paying off the lawsuits, but for the actual cops, nothing.
I really dont think that was why he wouldnt go in.
I liked your first post and that’s what I gathered from it. Your second post seemed like you were bringing up possible reasons for him acting how he did. One of which being afraid to hit others because he’s responsible for all rounds fired. That’s demonstratably not true.
I did misunderstand. Thanks for clarifying.
I do appreciate your insight.