Defense Distributed Shut Down by DOD

[ThePreBanMan]

Anyone have the AR magazine files up on a download linky?

 

[bullseye]

I don't know why DOD is all hell bent on this thing, hell, you can get AK's all over the world for a few dollars. Except in CT.

 

[dessert1st]

Every time I download a .RAR, I always wonder how excited WinZip employees get when someone actually buys the full version. I imagine they throw a hoopla and pass out gift bags.

And yeah, this is a typically overblown media bukake... There are 1,000,001 to cause harm to fellow human beings; what makes these hype artists think that this is by far​ the easiest most convenient way? Those nut jobs will find a way with means that are plenty easier to carry out. Ban innovations... yeah because that has never helped with any revolutions... and I dont mean only violent ones. Industrial revolution was fun for the kids, right?

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Anyone have the AR magazine files up on a download linky?

Download the Mega Pack I provided above, it has that.... and​ more!

 

[LoginName]

I don't know why DOD is all hell bent on this thing, hell, you can get AK's all over the world for a few dollars. Except in CT.

I have a feeling it's not the DoD that's the one that initiated this witch hunt; more like orders or a directive from the CiC to take action.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

I have a feeling it's not the DoD that's the one that initiated this witch hunt; more like orders or a directive from the CiC to take action.

that's what I thought too. DoD is most likely political theater and flexing.

 

[soloman02]

Anyone have the AR magazine files up on a download linky?

I have the latest AR mag file. Send me a PM with your email if you want and I'll email it to you. It is a 7MB .RAR file.

 

[falcon123]

Is this going to be another community funded project??

I'm all for funding this.

 

[NewGuyRay]

It sounds from the articles that this is not the work of the DoD, but instead, John Kerry and the State Department.

I wonder if this is a case the EFF will take up?

 

[falcon123]

.... Yeah? PM me those CAD files.

I think you can get those at Walmart. They're in the same aisle as the pickles.

 

[falcon123]

Very glad I snatched these files about a month ago. Anybody know if anything else was added besides the liberator in the last month? Roughly.

An F16

 

[Golddiggie]

I'm all for funding this.

I would offer to make one from aluminum, but I only have 14" between centers on my lathe. The steady rest doesn't have the capacity to hold the OD of what we'd want to use (at least 2" diameter). The lathe has a 4" chuck, so we could get the OD/girth needed (just not the length).

I'll have to look at the scrapyard next trip to see if there's anything long enough, with the OD we want, to make one. Probably cost all of a few dollars in materials there. Then it's just a bit of time turning it. Actually, I think there are enough NES members with larger lathes that we could make something really 'fitting' for the job. At least from metal it would have a better chance of surviving. Use some super-glue (or duct tape) to keep it in place and then send him through an airport (after reporting him to TSA as a 'suspicious person').

 

[joeendris]

They're going after Schumer with Nancy Pelosi???

 

[beaker]

Amazing. What are there 500,000,000 guns in the US in private hands? And they are worried about an electronic file. These people have a pathological need to control everyone in every way. They really should call it the Glock 7 lol

That is not a sure-fire protection, the government can go to court to try to demonstrate that it is a sufficient risk to national security to exercise "prior restraint" and stop you from publishing that book and/or seize copies of it.

Again, this seems silly since you can already manufacture rifles from flats (or shovels) or with machine tools. There isn't a shift here in terms of what an "enemy" can do via this technology as a practical matter.

Someone blew smoke up someone's rectum and told of an "apockerlips" of undetectable guns flooding "the street"TM.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

 

[joeendris]

Wild guess is ITAR...

Still not sure it's an ITAR hit. It's not in a DoD contract or used within defense controls, therefore not applicable. Remember, ITAR controls "defense related articles". i'm not sure how a plastic printed gun is in any way shape or form, defense related.

I could be wrong.

 

[cekim]

Still not sure it's an ITAR hit. It's not in a DoD contract or used within defense controls, therefore not applicable. Remember, ITAR controls "defense related articles". i'm not sure how a plastic printed gun is in any way shape or form, defense related.

I could be wrong.

Um, no, ITAR has no dependency on having a defense contract, only if you sell or transfer items on the munitions list (USML).

Again, I am just extrapolating from other items, but as I mentioned, there IS software and other "IP" on the USML. It appears that they have to "make a determination" and have asked the manufacture to remove it until they do.

In other words, they think they are going to add this to the USML and control its export which requires an export license among other things as well as or at least requirements that it NOT be exported.

You may have already run into this having to click on a box that said, "this item cannot be exported, blah, blah, legalize, you aren't doing that right? CLICK HERE [ ]"

 

[schnips]

I just finished downloading a Defcad Megapack and a separate Liberator torrent. I'm currently seeding.

 

[blinky]

Cube® 3D Printer, Silver | Staples®

 

[hurley431]

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[GJH86]

Where there is a will....When will they ever learn that if they try and take things away, no matter how insignificant, that a market will open up to meet the demand. Heroin still illegal right? No problem finding that.....there will be a way. USB file sharing for one

 

[jefftk]

From the comments on slashdot, this is allegedly the letter received by defcad. From the Department of State, not Defense

United States Department of State
Bureau of Political-Military Affairs
Offense of Defense Trade Controls Compliance
May 08, 2013
In reply letter to DTCC Case: 13-0001444
[Cody Wilson's address redacted]
Dear Mr. Wilson,
The Department of State, Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance, Enforcement Division (DTCC/END) is responsible for compliance with and civil enforcement of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778) (AECA) and the AECA’s implementing regulations, the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (22 C.F.R. Parts 120-130) (ITAR). The AECA and the ITAR impose certain requirements and restrictions on the transfer of, and access to, controlled defense articles and related technical data designated by the United States Munitions List (USML) (22 C.F.R. Part 121).
The DTCC/END is conducting a review of technical data made publicly available by Defense Distributed through its 3D printing website, DEFCAD.org, the majority of which appear to be related to items in Category I of the USML. Defense Distributed may have released ITAR-controlled technical data without the required prior authorization from the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC), a violation of the ITAR.
Technical data regulated under the ITAR refers to information required for the design, development, production, manufacture, assembly, operation, repair, testing, maintenance or modification of defense articles, including information in the form of blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation. For a complete definition of technical data, see 120.10 of the ITAR. Pursuant to 127.1 of the ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or tranferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an export under 120.17 of the ITAR.
The Department believes Defense Distributed may not have established the proper jurisdiction of the subject technical data. To resolve this matter officially, we request that Defense Distributed submit Commodity Jurisdiction (CJ) determination requests for the following selection of data files available on DEFCAD.org, and any other technical data for which Defense Distributed is unable to determine proper jurisdiction:
1.Defense Distributed Liberator pistol
2..22 electric
3.125mm BK-14M high-explosive anti-tank warhead
4.5.56/.223 muzzle brake
5.Springfield XD-40 tactical slide assembly
6.Sound Moderator – slip on
7.“The Dirty Diane” 1/2-28 to 3/4-16 STP S3600 oil filter silencer adapter
8.12 gauge to .22 CB sub-caliber insert
9.Voltlock electronic black powder system
10.VZ-58 sight
DTCC/END requests that Defense Distributed submits its CJ requests within three weeks of the receipt of this letter and notify this office of the final CJ determinations. All CJ requests must be submitted electronically through an online application using the DS-4076 Commodity Jurisdiction Request Form. The form, guidance for submitting CJ requests, and other relevant information such as a copy of the ITAR can be found on DDTC’s website at U.S. State Department - Policy - Directorate of Defense Trade Controls [pmddtc.state.gov]
Until the Department provides Defense Distributed with the final CJ determinations, Defense Distributed should treat the above technical data as ITAR-controlled. This means that all such data shoudl be removed form public access immediately. Defense Distributed should also review the remainder of the data made public on its website to determine whether any additional data may be similarly controlled and proceed according to ITAR requirements.
Additionally, DTCC/END requests information about the procedures Defense Distributed follows to determine the classification of its technical data, to include aforementioned technical data files. We ask that you provide your procedures for determining proper jurisdiction of technical data within 30 days of the date of this letter to Ms. Bridget Van Buren, Compliance Specialist, Enforcement Division, at the address below.
Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance
PM/DTCC, SA-1, Room L132
2401 E Street, NW
Washington, DC 20522
Phone 202-663-3323
We appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please note our reference number in any future correspondence.
Sincerely,
Glenn E. Smith
Chief, Enforcement Division

 

[LoginName]

Any recommendations for free software for viewing the files?

 

[Wrench75]

Cube® 3D Printer, Silver | Staples®

Print anything up to 5.5" x 5.5" x 5.5”or 140mm x 140mm x 140mm. You get 25 free 3D files with your Cube.

You would need one slightly bigger if you want to print lowers and maybe for 30rd mags too. Center to center on the takedown pins on a lower is just over 6in and I'm not sure but I think total length on a 30rd is probably about 6in. But you could do 20rd mags. I saw one online for around $600 that printed to 8in all dimensions.

Just something to keep in mind before buying one...

 

[shipwreck]

Wild guess is ITAR...

That would be my guess too. I mean you can't sell (distribute) any arms internationally.

 

[Lcstyle]

When PGP encryption was declared a munition (all Cryptosystems using keys larger than 40 bits were then considered munitions within the definition of the US export regulations, Phillip Zimmerman simply published the source code for the software into a book (in Machine Font of course , and then sent the books overseas to anyone that wanted to use the encryption. The party on the receiving end would simply use OCR to scan the source code into their own computers and compile.

The claimed principle was simple: export of munitions—guns, bombs, planes, and software—was (and remains) restricted; but the export of books is protected by the First Amendment. The question was never tested in court with respect to PGP. In cases addressing other encryption software, however, two federal appeals courts have established the rule that cryptographic software source code is speech protected by the First Amendment (the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Bernstein case and the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Junger case).

YOU CANNOT BAN IDEAS.

He (defense distributed) could just as easily print out the source code to software that generates those exact schematics and whatever else and publish that into pamphlets and distribute it through amazon to anyone that would want to buy it, piece of cake, easy as pie.

 

[PEW]

From the Forbes article:

"In this case, by contrast, Wilson is literally an arms distributor. "

Oh, really?

How exactly is distributing blueprints equivalent to distributing arms, especially for a primitive design like their pistol?

Worded poorly for a news article, but the ITAR is very much about transferring ideas. The details are boring, but I work within the bounds of the ITAR on a daily basis. It is a serious piece of regulation.

Whether it applies to this 3d printed gun is a different discussion.

 

[xtry51]

ITAR while good in theory, is a complete joke in practice and enforcement. They only enforce it when it suits some political agenda.

There are literally thousands of manufacturing partners that trade physical military parts everyday without complying in the normal channels of production. I've also seen plenty of high level military prints faxed all over the country when people bid out jobs.

This is clearly a witch hunt and they are grasping at straws. It's already too late anyway.

 

[noddaduma]

ITAR while good in theory, is a complete joke in practice and enforcement. They only enforce it when it suits some political agenda.

There are literally thousands of manufacturing partners that trade physical military parts everyday without complying in the normal channels of production. I've also seen plenty of high level military prints faxed all over the country when people bid out jobs.

This is clearly a witch hunt and they are grasping at straws. It's already too late anyway.

Transferring information within the country isn't the issue. It's transferring out of country that is.

 

[PEW]

Transferring information within the country isn't the issue. It's transferring out of country that is.

Your sentiment is correct, but in practice there is something you're missing; foreign nationals within US borders..

 

[WatchCityCPA]

Your sentiment is correct, but in practice there is something you're missing; foreign nationals within US borders..

And the fact that allowing informatin within US but somehow magically stopping the aforementioned information from crossing a border is an impossible task. Knowing that they know that information cannot be stopped, one should ponder why is the US government trying to achieve...

 

[xtry51]

Transferring information within the country isn't the issue. It's transferring out of country that is.

A very large part of ITAR is storing digital information on secure drives that have limited access. The fact is the vast majority of defense contractors do not follow ITAR in practice mainly because of the ridiculous burden/barrier it places on actually manufacturing hardware. Technically anyone in possessionof ITAR data is required to guarantee no foreign national has access to it and make any US citizen who may come in contact with it aware that it is ITAR restricted.