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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by EMTDAD, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. EMTDAD

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    I've got a deck, roughly 12x16 or so built with the house back in 2001.. Mahogany, but solid stained. It's in direct sun from about 10am to 4pm during the summer. It's starting to look pretty beat up, with the flooring starting to rot in a few places, the steps are in need of re-treads and the tops of the rails are in need of replacing. The under-framing and posts seem to still be in very good condition, so this is more of a cosmetic update than a re-build.

    Thinking of going with composite, rather than keep patching the wood deck. I'm pretty handy, and due to limited funds, it'll be a DIY project. Thinking of replacing the floor and steps this year, then doing the rails next year. Anyone have any potential pitfalls I might encounter by doing it in 2 phases? Hoping to lean on others' experience so I don't make the same mistakes.
     
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    1. Synthetic-composite-trex gets HOT.
    2. I don't think doing it yourself in 2 phases is a big deal.

    this one gets sun almost all day

    icehouse deck 1.jpg

    Our front porch is trex as well, and i stepped out to get the mail in barefoot, and regretted it instantly....
     
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    Except that one time you take a picture of it, and it is in shade. ;) Seriously though, that looks like a nice spot.
     
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    damn, i thought someone took out Janet!
     
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    HAHAHAHA right?
     
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    I've had good luck with PT decking. Just remember that it will shrink, so put it down with no spacing between. Jack.
     
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    If you're going to use compost railing or actually any type the 4x4 usually tie into the joists so there is some planning to do if doing in two phases.
     
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    We did the home depot brand in the back with the hidden stainless fasteners and multi-colored textured boards. It looks good, but it's only been 2 years. I think HD warrantees the boards for 15 or 25 years against fading. We'll probably do the front porch with the same stuff.
     
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    I did the HD composite on my front porch, and it DOES get hot. I used a dark walnut color, when I do the back deck, which gets even more sun, I will use a light gray to help with the heat. If you want to see how hot it will really get, buy a board or 2 and lay them on the deck during a couple of hot sunny days. For people that like to go barefoot on the deck you want to be sure it's not going to be like hot pavement in the summer.
     
  10. EMTDAD

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    Yes.. there are currently 4x4 railing posts already up (obviously). They would likely be covered with post sleeves, rather than replaced..
     
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    Light gray gets plenty hot too. I'm kind of hillbilly in that I love walking barefoot as soon as the temp is above 60. The front porch (light gray) was hotter than the driveway Saturday..... Much hotter.
     
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    Just did mine in Azek, one thing you might run into is joist spacing. Wood can span further than composite so not sure how the builders framed the original.
     
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    Good point. When I did my front porch it's not that big, I changed the spacing to 12". Another thing that is a bit of a pain with composite is the ends that are cut. I opted to picture frame around the edges, which then required adding a joist to accomodate the boards going the opposite direction. But it looks nice doing it that way.
     
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    Good to know, will have to do some more research before making the change on the back deck. Don't want to make it too hot for the dog to lay out there in the summer.
     
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    This is a very timely thread, I'm in exactly the same boat.
    Thanks for the advice from me, too.
     
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    You neglected to mention how damn slippery that Trex decking gets as well. I’ve had both feet shoot out from under me like a cartoon so many times.
    But yes, damn hot.
     
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    for composite decking (have something like trex) use the fake grass carpeting where you plan to walk, keeps the soles of your feet from frying.
     
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    was alcohol involved in said slipping?
     
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    Sometimes, back when I used to drink. But when that stuff gets a little frost on it, it’s dangerous
     
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    there's nothing worse than an unsuspecting slip.....I have wretched my back just catching myself before falling...and tailbone injuries suck too
     
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    here's another question.. whoever built the deck, made one corner not 90°. It's shaped something like this:
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    can the composite rails be fitted to an angle other than square to the post?
     
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    We had the deck done early fall late summer last year we had the contractor use a composite the brand was Wolf because my wife liked the way the material looked. This is a nice premium product, however any of the composits are somewhat the same. I like the idea of no maintenance. The deck was original made of Cedar and was a pain to keep up. These guys did a great job. deck7.JPG deck9.JPG
     
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    I've done a few using composite railing assemblies from cape cod lumber (I forget which brand) [Edit: TimberTech railings Trademark Railing Colonial-Style Rail] and yes, the brackets that connect the top and bottom rail to the post have a pivoting almost hinge-like design. You have a lot of play as far as the angle at which the railing comes off the face of the post.

    In fact for the stair railings, you rotate the bracket 90 degrees so it can be angled up/down instead of side to side...
     
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    I am replacing my deck this fall as well. My parents had a screened in Gazebo built out of the Trex stuff. I will be using it on my deck.
     
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    I actually purposely planned for about a ½” gap in my deck boards. That way the spent .380 and 9mm shell casings fall through in between when I sweep my deck. :)
     
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    I hate my front porch with that fake crap. I used mahogany on the rear deck and love it.
     
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    It seems like a step backward to go from mahogany to composite

    Composite is nice as far as maintenance goes but I agree that it gets stupid hot and mysteriously slippery with very little warning.
     
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    finally got this project done.. decided to just bite the bullet and do the entire project. Found a few posts that were rotted and a rim joist that was eaten by carpenter ants. Rest of the framing was in good shape. So.. 6 weekends later.. here's the before and after pics. Not 100% perfect, but I think I did a pretty good job for a non-professional. Only thing not pvc/composite is the stair stringers.

    Cost about $3000 in materials overall I think.. Wondering what the pros here would've charged me to do it.. Deck is 12x20 roughly.

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    Nice work. I cant wait to get mine done.
     
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    I'm going to need to replace my deck boards next year. I was going to use trex until I stepped off my boat barefoot onto the gray trex boards this year to tie up, and immediately had to jump back on the boat.

    I can barely get my 5yo to wear clothes in the backyard, nevermind shoes. It wouldn't end well for me.
     

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