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December 7th 1941

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by jason19711971, Dec 7, 2018.

  1. jason19711971

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    The first "adult" book I ever read when I was about 10 or 11 was Day Of Infamy by Walter Lord. I used to go the school library, read for a period and come back to where I left off later. I didn't even understand some of the words like flotsam, jetsam and debris. I'll have to head over to Kindle and see if I can get it.

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    My daughter doesn’t have school today. Some parent and teacher conference bullshit. They are trying to erase our history everywhere! Sometimes blatantly and sometimes not so blatantly. It’s an absolute discrace and God Bless our WWII VETERANS! It’s because of you folks I went to boot camp at 17 years old.
     
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    well, lenny, you make it sound like an apology went out to the japanese government. it goes deeper...
    "In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government and authorized a payment of $20,000 (equivalent to $41,000 in 2017) to each camp survivor."
    you got to read up on who was interned. lots and lots of american citizens. many never had ties to japan besides ancestral. property confiscated, the who nine yards. and the only reason they didn't round up german and italians is because they looked like mainstream americans... and a quarter of america would be detained. conditions in many camps were only a few steps up from nazi concentration camps.

    after 9/11, many felt every muslim in the country should have been rounded up. i felt this way, too. mass hysteria is a horrible thing. i'm ashamed admitting it.
     
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    Except "them" was a great deal of American citizens. People with as little as 1/16th Japanese ancestry were interned. People that had never been to Japan, spoke no Japanese, and were--except for their ancestors' ethnicity--regular, loyal Americans.

    The Pearl Harbor attack was absolutely infamous, but the subsequent internment in the United States was unequivocally one of the blackest stains on our nation.
     
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    Then there's all of the sailors still aboard the Arizona. Eternity is a very long tour of duty. God bless the men and women, who came before us and gave so much, so that so many, could appreciate so little, how much their freedom, has cost.
     
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    Hindsight is always 20/20
    We just had the sh*t kicked out of us. We were suddenly thrust into a war (a two front war) that we did not want, nor were prepared for. I am not going to second guess the decisions made by the hero commanders who won the war!
     
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    It seems to me that when any of us is blindsided the way America was on Dec. 7, 1941, all would come up swinging at anyone within smacking distance and apologize later to those who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
     
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    It seems to me that Pearl Harbor was a pretty good reason to be guilty of mass hysteria though.
     
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    i guess so was 9/11.
     
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    My Dad enlisted in the USN on December 14th because of Pearl Harbor and was actually stationed there for a short time while fighting in the South Pacific.
    ~Matt
     
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    Revisionists might think otherwise were they to 'walk a mile' in the shoes of those who experienced such events.
     
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    My dad tried to enlist at 16, but he got bagged. He tried again at 17. He slid past them the second time and went on active duty at 17. Later in life, he called me a seagoing bell hop, until the day he died.
     
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    To this day, Korematsu probably ranks in the top 10 or 12 of shameful Supreme Court decisions. Not as bad as Dred Scott, but probably worse than Plessy. It's clearly wrong by today's standards, but it was wrong in 1944 as well.
     
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    I was in Hawai'i last week or so and I spent a day at Pearl Harbor. The USS Arizona memorial is closed for repairs until March 2019 so I was not able to see things from there but was able to still take the white boat tour across the harbor to see the sunken ship (a little of it, anyway) and the memorials from afar.

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    Dear Lord / Lest I continue / My complacent way / Help me to remember
    Somehow out there / A man died for me today. / As long as there be war
    I then must / Ask and answer / Am I worth dying for?
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    Me, on the 40mm quad gun assembly display
     
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    This day should be as the 4th of July.
     
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    For what it's worth, I still haven't forgotten or forgiven the Japs.
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    I like Fried Rice...

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    I think you cooked his goose too with that one.
     
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    You're certainly entitled to your opinion but I'll always second guess disregarding due process and citizen's rights. Interning innocent Americans on the basis of ethnicity is not acceptable to me.

    To me, this is not much different than those climbing over victims' corpses in the wake of a shooting and shouting that we need more gun control. Using a tragedy to destroy others' liberties is something people complain about here all the time; the fact that in this case it happened to "the other guy" and involves nationalism and not 2A doesn't make it any less reprehensible.
     
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    If I had been Truman I would have dropped a Fat Boy for every U.S. Ship damaged at Pearl.
    Not sunk, not floated and repaired and returned to service. Damaged.
    Tokyo would have been Target No. 1, Followed by a direct hit on the Emperor's Palace.
    Mount Fuji would still be radioactively aglow as a warning light to ships at sea.

    I would celebrate every December 7th with a atomic bomb drop on that pitiful island and have Congress pass a Law in perpetuity...

    They would have called me "Mad Bomber" Truman and added my bust to Mount Rushmore...
     
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    They did, just not as many internees as the japanese.
     
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    Looks like the TV networks are attempting to erase history. Just did a quick look on my available Xfinity channels and did not see any war movies on tonight.

    It's a shame that out history is being pushed aside.

    Thanks to all the fine men and women past and present in our Armed Forces.
     
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