CT governor wants "grandfather clause" eliminated and existing "assault weapons" confiscated

[drgrant]

They are taking a big chance. A single 911 call from a pissed-off family member and their lives will be forever changed. Happened to some hospital executive here in MA earlier this year, when his own daughter ratted him out. He was charged with multiple felonies, LTC revoked, his whole expensive gun collection confiscated and lost his high salary job.

Prostrating yourself and worrying because of some guys edge case? No thanks.

 

[Buck F]

Prostrating yourself and worrying because of some guys edge case? No thanks.

Haven't read the entire thread, but in today's world it's not inconceivable to be ratted out by family members, exes, friends, co workers, etc.

 

[drgrant]

Haven't read the entire thread, but in today's world it's not inconceivable to be ratted out by family members, exes, friends, co workers, etc.

Yes.

The case he referenced, didn’t even involve “ratting” - the guy got into a domestic, admitted that he hit his wife, and then the cops proceeded to steal all his shit. Further, it doesn’t take “illegal gunz” for the state to make your life a living hell either.. we’ve seen that more than a few times here. acting like a tickytack garbage trash charge for a muzzle brake or something means anything in more than a tiny percentage of gun arrests is insane.

Yes, they tried to charge him for the magazines but who knows whether or not it mattered, but honestly if a guy is arrested for domestic assault, there’s any of that other shit really matter LOL? tack on charges aren’t going to make or break the guy having his life turned to shit.

Not to mention from the context to the article, we don’t even know if they were just sprinkling the infield or whether or not the charges were retained or not at trial. Eg, I kind of doubt that the state was actually forced to prove anything about those devices…….

Southcoast Health CEO Arrested on Domestic Violence Charge | ABC6

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[EJFudd]

She's going to be Governor for as long as she chooses to remain in office, it's not like she need gun control to help her win elections

Yes, it's a fact that Dimples will be governor for as long as she wants it. Such is life in moonbatty Massachusetts which tilts farther to the pervy socialist left with every passing year. But just because she doesn't need "gun control" as an issue to enjoy her position... she likewise doesn't have to worry about what the Legislature does with it either. Whether the Legislature runs with it next session (as promised) or decides to wait a bit to see how Bruen works out for NY & NJ, Dimples is perfectly safe.

 

[EJFudd]

And this governor shooting his mouth off is the reason why 90% of the people in Connecticut were smart enough to not register their AR's.

They are taking a big chance. A single 911 call from a pissed-off family member and their lives will be forever changed.

This is what you call "damned if you do and damned if you don't"!

Here are your choices:

1) Register your MSR and wait for the confiscation police to come and take it away from you, or,
2) Don't register your MSR and open yourself up to instant confiscation with added Felon/PP status.

Great choices, eh?

 

[Fixxah]

Or perhaps you should build your own unserialized firearms

That would be..........
illegal. (Said in sarcastic voice of Ted Night)

 

[Hoover]

OH NOES I CANT BUY A NEW, neutered AK AT DELI TICKET EMPORIUM!!!!! STOP THE PRESSES.

Its almost like you guys enjoy stewing in your own misery. Like you're not satisfied if you're not 110% miserable.

Meanwhile in the real world not much has functionally changed in MA gun law since 1998. . Well, outside of the fact that we have 6 yr licenses, and don't have restrictions
anymore.....

But didn’t you hear him, Maura banned them 6 years ago and it’s still in effect!

What did the globe say in their Littleton mill story? There were 10,000 ARs sold in a recent year in Massachusetts? I guess her “ban” was a legal opinion with no meaning lol

She hasn’t even tried to enforce it and absolutely won’t post NYSRPA vs bruen because she is terrified the courts will rule it unconstitutional. She’s happy with the paper tiger ban because she can’t do anything else.

 

[M1911]

I recently attended a MA gun law class given by Jon Green at GOAL. He said they've been contacted by over 100 people who have been charged with possession of post-ban large capacity magazines. Many of those charges were not in conjunction with other charges. Most of them were discovered pursuant to traffic stops.

You run a serious risk when you possess something that the state has deemed to be illegal, whether in MA or CT.

Edited to add: Note, I'm not saying that you should or should not possess them. I'm just pointing out that the legal risk is real and the consequences can be life changing.

 

[Hoover]

I recently attended a MA gun law class given by Jon Green at GOAL. He said they've been contacted by over 100 people who have been charged with possession of post-ban large capacity magazines. Many of those charges were not in conjunction with other charges. Most of them were discovered pursuant to traffic stops.

You run a serious risk when you possess something that the state has deemed to be illegal, whether in MA or CT.

I don’t know the details of the CT law. Has anyone in MA been charged with a neutered AR? Maura made her edict but that’s not law, the legislature and courts determine the law. Post ban mags in mass are a different story, I’ve definitely seen articles where they’ve charged people for those mags.

RI passed a non cripple mag ban this summer and groups in RI filed a lawsuit to overturn the new law. That case is in Red district court in RI (I believe in front of a bush judge) ocean state tactical vs Neronha. If the 1st circuit court of appeals gets the appeal and rules favorably, that decision will end the Massachusetts law. Until then non cripple mags are a legal risk.

 

[drgrant]

I recently attended a MA gun law class given by Jon Green at GOAL. He said they've been contacted by over 100 people who have been charged with possession of post-ban large capacity magazines. Many of those charges were not in conjunction with other charges. Most of them were discovered pursuant to traffic stops.

Taken at face value it would mean that people are letting LE search their vehicles without a reason, or the reality is they did something to create a context for a search. I suspect in a lot of these cases " some details are being omitted. " like people getting rapped while sauced, etc. (People love to lie about shit like that because they're embarrassed)

"I was just minding my own business and got arrested only for a postban LCAFD" just doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[M1911]

Taken at face value it would mean that people are letting LE search their vehicles without a reason, or the reality is they did something to create a context for a search. I suspect in a lot of these cases " some details are being omitted. " like people getting rapped while sauced, etc. (People love to lie about shit like that because they're embarrassed)

"I was just minding my own business and got arrested only for a postban LCAFD" just doesn't pass the sniff test.

Over 100 have contacted GOAL. I've known Jon Green for many years. He isn't lying.

I think you are whistling past the graveyard.

 

[whatluck]

Taken at face value it would mean that people are letting LE search their vehicles without a reason, or the reality is they did something to create a context for a search. I suspect in a lot of these cases " some details are being omitted. " like people getting rapped while sauced, etc. (People love to lie about shit like that because they're embarrassed)

"I was just minding my own business and got arrested only for a postban LCAFD" just doesn't pass the sniff test.

the cops have been known to fabricate pretense for a traffic stop

 

[drgrant]

Over 100 have contacted GOAL. I've known Jon Green for many years. He isn't lying.

I know Jon as well and I'm not questioning his integrity. At all. I'm suggesting a lot of people are likely /not/ telling him their whole story. I know this because I've witnessed it happen myself, even when the person is talking to someone who clearly won't judge them. It's the same mindset as "I was cleaning my gun when it went off". Etc.

 

[M1911]

the cops have been known to fabricate pretense for a traffic stop

Yup. And if you have a post ban large cap magazine in the car, then you are well and truly effed.

Edited to add: I've mentioned this previously on the forum. Some years back I was driving back to MA from Denver, through Kansas on I-70. I had a radar detector and Waze. Both alerted me to a cop ahead, so I slowed to exactly the speed limit. I was driving my 200 Series Land Cruiser. The Kansas Highway Patrol cruiser pulled out of the median, paced me, and pulled me over.

The trooper told me that he pulled me over because my license plate surround obscured the plate. Which was baloney -- that was a pretext for a fishing expedition. He was bored, saw an out of state plate, and was assuming that I was smuggling the devil's lettuce out of CO. He spent the next 15 minutes asking me questions and chatting. I was polite and played the game. He eventually decided that he could find no justification for searching my vehicle and let me go.

If I wasn't a 60-year-old, clean cut white guy, I wouldn't be surprised if he would have fabricated probable cause for a search.

 

[M1911]

I know Jon as well and I'm not questioning his integrity. At all. I'm suggesting a lot of people are likely /not/ telling him their whole story. I know this because I've witnessed it happen myself, even when the person is talking to someone who clearly won't judge them. It's the same mindset as "I was cleaning my gun when it went off". Etc.

I think circumstances happen more often than you expect.

 

[drgrant]

I think circumstances happen more often than you expect.

Maybe with things like vehicle crashes with full blown inventories, etc, sure.... but think.about the # of traffic stops. Think about the # of them in MA that don't result in vehicle searches.... probably the overwhelming majority, unless you're like one of those guys i see proned out on car hoods on rt12 because they've probably been dodging a warrant for x months etc. And I say that as someone whose probably been stopped above the median # of times vs most here. Thankfully thats an infrequent occurrence nowadays. (Mostly because having car shit in full compliance is a bigger deal to me. If i have a car with a dead bulb in it i don't drive it, etc. ).

People lie. They don't want to tell you about prior sins. Whether or not they had a drug or alcohol problem, etc. (And like seeming half this country is on something, or was on something) I've had friends who "had issues" that the full scope of what they did never came out until much later.

Would i suggest someone ride with illegal stuff in their car? Hell no... it's not smart. I just think the hyperbole in this state with fringe gun crimes is over the top.

 

[M1911]

I think a lot of folks have mags that they think are preban that they take to the range. If you get stopped and things go sideways, it could end up being a really bad day.

 

[MGnoob]

If you are getting your car searched you’re either known to the police for A variety of reasons.
Or
Somehow you talk yourself into it and then consented to a search.

The third possibility is that you’re just riding dirty with bad plates, no licenses or a warrant.

And there’s simply doing an “inventory” of your vehicle before it’s towed.

 

[Len-2A Training]

But didn’t you hear him, Maura banned them 6 years ago and it’s still in effect!

What did the globe say in their Littleton mill story? There were 10,000 ARs sold in a recent year in Massachusetts? I guess her “ban” was a legal opinion with no meaning lol

She hasn’t even tried to enforce it and absolutely won’t post NYSRPA vs bruen because she is terrified the courts will rule it unconstitutional. She’s happy with the paper tiger ban because she can’t do anything else.

She had the desired effect. Dealers are scared and won't touch those guns, people are scared about buying/possessing those guns. A very effective "paper tiger" IMNSHO.

I recently attended a MA gun law class given by Jon Green at GOAL. He said they've been contacted by over 100 people who have been charged with possession of post-ban large capacity magazines. Many of those charges were not in conjunction with other charges. Most of them were discovered pursuant to traffic stops.

You run a serious risk when you possess something that the state has deemed to be illegal, whether in MA or CT.

Edited to add: Note, I'm not saying that you should or should not possess them. I'm just pointing out that the legal risk is real and the consequences can be life changing.

Many LEOs believe all large-cap mags are illegal and many will arrest upon seeing one and let the courts sort it out. It takes some gun knowledge to truly know a pre-ban from a post-ban AR mag and most cops have little to no knowledge about firearms/mags . . . so, when in doubt make the arrest!

Over 100 have contacted GOAL. I've known Jon Green for many years. He isn't lying.

I think you are whistling past the graveyard.

I've known Jon since the day GOAL hired him. He's a man of great integrity. However drgrant is correct, most people lie about their circumstances or give up their right to search and seizure, believing that the police have the right to search any vehicle by merely asking permission.

 

[Shark_Cage]

When I first joined, I thought there would be way more participation from VT, ME, RI, CT, NY, NJ, PA and even Quebec and Nova Scotia.

Nope. LOL.

Heck, I think CT should be kicked out of NE. Lol
Half that state is Yankees/Jets fans

 

[rogersmithiii]

I would substitute "people" for "liberals". The funny part is many posters from NH and Maine like to blame migrating mAss liberals for their own problems. True mAss liberals would not stoop so low (in their minds) to live in close proximity to the hicks up north. The liberal problems in Maine and NH are home grow

This is what you call "damned if you do and damned if you don't"!

Here are your choices:

1) Register your MSR and wait for the confiscation police to come and take it away from you, or,
2) Don't register your MSR and open yourself up to instant confiscation with added Felon/PP status.

Great choices, eh?

Or don't own any. Problem solved.

 

[EJFudd]

Or don't own any. Problem solved.

 

[EJFudd]

Over 100 have contacted GOAL. I've known Jon Green for many years. He isn't lying.

I think you are whistling past the graveyard.

I'm just impressed that 100 cops in Massachusetts can tell the difference between a pre-ban and a post-ban magazine.

 

[Coda]

If a LEO is questioning the vintage of your magazines, you are most likely in the midst of being investigated for something a lot bigger.

100 cases does surprise me. But what would not surprise me is the likelihood of other hidden agendas in most of those cases.

 

[Dadstoys]

the cops have been known to fabricate pretense for a traffic stop

And search.

 

[Dadstoys]

Yup. And if you have a post ban large cap magazine in the car, then you are well and truly effed.

Edited to add: I've mentioned this previously on the forum. Some years back I was driving back to MA from Denver, through Kansas on I-70. I had a radar detector and Waze. Both alerted me to a cop ahead, so I slowed to exactly the speed limit. I was driving my 200 Series Land Cruiser. The Kansas Highway Patrol cruiser pulled out of the median, paced me, and pulled me over.

The trooper told me that he pulled me over because my license plate surround obscured the plate. Which was baloney -- that was a pretext for a fishing expedition. He was bored, saw an out of state plate, and was assuming that I was smuggling the devil's lettuce out of CO. He spent the next 15 minutes asking me questions and chatting. I was polite and played the game. He eventually decided that he could find no justification for searching my vehicle and let me go.

If I wasn't a 60-year-old, clean cut white guy, I wouldn't be surprised if he would have fabricated probable cause for a search.

I personally knew a cop who used to carry a couple of tylonol in his shirt pocket that would get dropped on the floor of a vehicle that he wanted to search.
If they want to search , they are going to search , period.

 

[P51MA]

...and we're right back to Twoshits.

My mother had the TeeVeeNooz on in the kitchen, and as I walked by it was the Tong and Lamont Show on why GunzRBad. Right at the moment, we're discussing a Connecticut problem. Likely to get worse, as I'm sure even if BobStef managed to pull something remotely looking like an upset, Bridgepuertorico would manage to "find" boxes of magic ballots.

Sort of academic to me, as my residency of Connecticut isn't likely to see the end of 2023. Nevertheless.

(Sigh.) I have to laugh a bit, even at the "Nuke Boston" thread. Well, sure, greater Boston has around five million people, and some significant tech resources, especially biomed/biotech. But not factories. Those tech things are intellectual property and exist in people's brains and on servers replicated worldwide.

Versus, say, the New York Metropolitan Area, spanning from northern Noo Joizey up to where my ass is parked presently. TWENTY MILLION souls. And Joizey's infamous chem plants that make the place a stinkpot. Oh, and a bit to the east is a place called Groton. Home to a concern called General Dynamics Electric Boat. Know what they make there? Those things called nuclear submarines. Why am I thinking all of these things might make more interesting targets?

This is actually a pretty good map of the possible targets in a nuclear war.

I don’t know who would just target the nyc/nj metro areas. Maybe NK if we invaded them, which seems unlikely. I’m not sure who else has a nuclear arsenal small enough that they might target one, but not the other.

The target density between DC and Boston is slightly disturbing.

 

[G4Y4HK]

Yup. And if you have a post ban large cap magazine in the car, then you are well and truly effed.

Edited to add: I've mentioned this previously on the forum. Some years back I was driving back to MA from Denver, through Kansas on I-70. I had a radar detector and Waze. Both alerted me to a cop ahead, so I slowed to exactly the speed limit. I was driving my 200 Series Land Cruiser. The Kansas Highway Patrol cruiser pulled out of the median, paced me, and pulled me over.

The trooper told me that he pulled me over because my license plate surround obscured the plate. Which was baloney -- that was a pretext for a fishing expedition. He was bored, saw an out of state plate, and was assuming that I was smuggling the devil's lettuce out of CO. He spent the next 15 minutes asking me questions and chatting. I was polite and played the game. He eventually decided that he could find no justification for searching my vehicle and let me go.

If I wasn't a 60-year-old, clean cut white guy, I wouldn't be surprised if he would have fabricated probable cause for a search.

Lucky to be a 60 year old clean cut white guy. As a black guy in my late 30s, the choice is either step aside and let the cop search my car or wait for the K9 to scuff up my clear coat as the K9 cop puts his finger all over wherever he wants the dog to 'alert', then search my car. Just gotta drive like a grandma around some parts and don't make any eye contact with a parked cop.

 

[pastera]

Lucky to be a 60 year old clean cut white guy. As a black guy in my late 30s, the choice is either step aside and let the cop search my car or wait for the K9 to scuff up my clear coat as the K9 cop puts his finger all over wherever he wants the dog to 'alert', then search my car. Just gotta drive like a grandma around some parts and don't make any eye contact with a parked cop.

Yes, because every cop out there "knows" they can get away with targeting people based on race...

 

[G4Y4HK]

Yes, because every cop out there "knows" they can get away with targeting people based on race...

Who says anything about 'every cop'? Can you guarantee every cop you encounter will treat you with respect? Can you guarantee when you leave the house, you won't encounter a violent criminal? Isn't that why we carry?