CT cops get out of state guns seized of arrested firefighter

[Len-2A Training]

I don't agree with how it is used/abused and implemented but it is the law currently and I advise my students about it so that they are fully aware paranoid of these consequences.

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Joe,

I can't dispute your "correction" however I want all my students to understand the MA-gotcha. Failure to turn everything over (and locations of stuff not in MA) INSTANTLY can result in a Felony charge from C. 269 S.10 totally separate from the underlying issue.

So say a person makes up a story to get an RO (happens all the time), as soon as they get in front of a judge (up to 10 days in MA) the judge smells a rat and dismisses with prejudice. The RO has gone away but the 269-10 can/will still go forward and result in a conviction. PDs use this as a club, especially if they don't like the person.

 

[W.E.C]

Name one private sector job that will continue to pay you while in jail unable to make bail.


His bail is set at $500K, which is on the high end for a domestic case. He has obviously been advised that bail revision is dependent on his "cooperation" in "voluntarily" arranging surrender of his out of state guns.

but 500,000 bail? for a domestic?

the whole story isn't being told.

 

[W.E.C]

Joe,

I can't dispute your "correction" however I want all my students to understand the MA-gotcha. Failure to turn everything over (and locations of stuff not in MA) INSTANTLY can result in a Felony charge from C. 269 S.10 totally separate from the underlying issue.

So say a person makes up a story to get an RO (happens all the time), as soon as they get in front of a judge (up to 10 days in MA) the judge smells a rat and dismisses with prejudice. The RO has gone away but the 269-10 can/will still go forward and result in a conviction. PDs use this as a club, especially if they don't like the person.

that case sounds like prejudice from police as well,or the wife is cheating with a cop.

 

[atilla]

so the justification for the confiscation was a domestic incident which few details were provided, but it was bad enough to have all his property in multiple states seized?

this is legal? jesus christ.

 

[W.E.C]

if this guy wasn't off the hook,

its on in Hartford.

the bravest vs. the finest!

they are eating their own down there.

 

[Jason Flare]

Joe,

I can't dispute your "correction" however I want all my students to understand the MA-gotcha. Failure to turn everything over (and locations of stuff not in MA) INSTANTLY can result in a Felony charge from C. 269 S.10 totally separate from the underlying issue.

So say a person makes up a story to get an RO (happens all the time), as soon as they get in front of a judge (up to 10 days in MA) the judge smells a rat and dismisses with prejudice. The RO has gone away but the 269-10 can/will still go forward and result in a conviction. PDs use this as a club, especially if they don't like the person.

It looks like the decision a person has to make is whether to give up the location of all guns and have his/her guns confiscated or be a felon with guns.

 

[Len-2A Training]

It looks like the decision a person has to make is whether to give up the location of all guns and have his/her guns confiscated or be a felon with guns.

Exactly.

The GOOD NEWS (if such is possible) . . . only in MA will the guns likely go to a Bonded Warehouse never to be seen again. In "America" the PD holds the guns and the guy still will get them back if the RO is dropped or he has the right to give/sell them to anyone he wishes in those other states. I'd be more worried about what happens in MA (yes, I know this is a CT case, no idea what they do) with my property as I really have no right to get compensated for it under the system in place today. DONATE to Comm2A!!! The Village Vault case should change this in a few years whenever we get a ruling.

 

[not new guy]

Exactly.

The GOOD NEWS (if such is possible) . . . only in MA will the guns likely go to a Bonded Warehouse never to be seen again. In "America" the PD holds the guns and the guy still will get them back if the RO is dropped or he has the right to give/sell them to anyone he wishes in those other states. I'd be more worried about what happens in MA (yes, I know this is a CT case, no idea what they do) with my property as I really have no right to get compensated for it under the system in place today. DONATE to Comm2A!!! The Village Vault case should change this in a few years whenever we get a ruling.

That doesn't exactly make turning them over more desirable as an option...

 

[xtry51]

People need to use guns far more often than they allow themselves to be kidnapped and their property stolen.

 

[TOM1960]

My favorite line from any story involving public sector employees.

True. Private sector? He would have been fired and escorted from the building with final paycheck in hand, the day after the story hit the newspapers. No such animal as "paid administrative leave" in the private sector.

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That doesn't exactly make turning them over more desirable as an option...

The article says that he is "cooperating" with police. Probably told them about his South Carolina collection as well. He should have shut up and lawyered up as soon as he was informed that he was under arrest.

 

[Chris_BAO]

Steel door with Steel framing will make a big impact on their foot....Plus make them earn their pay.....

That article makes my head explode. I have no idea what the guy did but to highlight "Unsecured" and 7 & 16 year old kids in the house is just asinine.

And yes now they will simply kick in the door of every property you own and take your shit. Remember that, have your friends on speed dial.

 

[FSTC]

As much as I hate conspiracy theories: The ATF is starting a campaign to further demonize gun owners. They are using the media and the local PDs as "partnering" to get "guns off the street" Everything gun related will be sensationalized.
Methuen? The media attempts to waft a "terrorism" aspect. (If this were a legit terrorism, the FBI and maybe MSP would scoop these guys up and maybe tell MPD after the fact.
This will probably get spun as a "multi state gun running/manufacturing illegal assault weapons" story. etc.
Batten down the hatches, the real shit-storm is coming.
Northeastshooters.com - New ATF head in Boston says he wants to focus on street-level violence, gun crimes

 

[FSTC]

People need to use guns far more often than they allow themselves to be kidnapped and their property stolen.

Yes, but they would most likely die.
I see them as dying free.
The media will label them "domestic terrorists" or gasp "white separatists"
The end result? The scared sheep will advocate and accept more .gov infringement on what goes on inside your home.

 

[not new guy]

As much as I hate conspiracy theories: The ATF is starting a campaign to further demonize gun owners. They are using the media and the local PDs as "partnering" to get "guns off the street" Everything gun related will be sensationalized.
Methuen? The media attempts to waft a "terrorism" aspect. (If this were a legit terrorism, the FBI and maybe MSP would scoop these guys up and maybe tell MPD after the fact.
This will probably get spun as a "multi state gun running/manufacturing illegal assault weapons" story. etc.
Batten down the hatches, the real shit-storm is coming.
Northeastshooters.com - New ATF head in Boston says he wants to focus on street-level violence, gun crimes

And just imagine, between the license plate scanners and their databases of who allegedly owns what (in MA, anyway) they could really start making people's lives miserable if they want to. The 4th amendment has already been subverted, enough for this to happen anyway. Throw in technology, maybe some mobile scanning units, and you've got a real problem.

 

[buketduder]

I find this interesting......the law says "No person shall store or keep any loaded firearm on any premises under his control".........and the cop says the firearms were NOT LOADED..the law does not say a loaded magazine cannot be next to it..

"The guns were located in a bedroom. It was a child's bedroom. They were on the bed. Every gun was unloaded but in close proximity, within a foot or two to ammunition," said Lt. Brian Foley, Hartford Police Department.

I think they will need to dismiss the firearms charges...

 

[buketduder]

"Attorney for Hartford firefighter arrested yesterday said there were no loaded firearms in the home. She also said it was a 'complete fabrication' that the guns were in a child's bedroom. They were in a parents bedroom." - Per Hartford Courant

 

[xtry51]

Yes, but they would most likely die.
I see them as dying free.
The media will label them "domestic terrorists" or gasp "white separatists"
The end result? The scared sheep will advocate and accept more .gov infringement on what goes on inside your home.

The only solution to this is to have friends willing to shoot and kill more people including media.

The only possible path left for this country is failure. When that happens there will be another civil war between those who have been on the govt dole and those who were funding it. The death toll will be much higher than the last civil war.

Some will call this view crazy. Those people will never give you an answer to $17T in debt and rising $1T per year. They are sheep.

 

[Jason Flare]

If one guy stands up against the seizure, by police, of his property and dies in the process it's PSGWSP. If a group of people stand up to defend the constitution that's another thing entirely.

 

[Apathesis]

Yuck.

 

[bullseye]

but 500,000 bail? for a domestic?

the whole story isn't being told.

It's CT and after Oct 1st, the new laws have kicked in. He is a poster child of what will happen to people who own firearms in CT.
My next question is, how the hell do the police know he owns firearms in S.C.? Unless bought at an FFL or he made mention (dumb thing), who's going to know if and what he may own. I would hope the SC local Sheriff's office would tell CTSP to go pound sand, especially on a alleged domestic.

 

[bullseye]

"Attorney for Hartford firefighter arrested yesterday said there were no loaded firearms in the home. She also said it was a 'complete fabrication' that the guns were in a child's bedroom. They were in a parents bedroom." - Per Hartford Courant

Is Rachel handling this?

 

[falcon123]

Ammo hoarder

Happy he was taken down. Now there's more ammo for us.

 

[falcon123]

Yes, too little info here to really know what happened.

However, thanks to Sen. Frank Lautenberg . . . any domestic violence restraining order REQUIRES (federally) that the confiscation be done. In MA it is the 209A RO, but each state is required to create a similar law and take the same action. And yes, that means confiscating whatever the person owned in other states as well.

I don't agree with how it is used/abused and implemented but it is the law currently and I advise my students about it so that they are fully aware of these consequences.

That reminds me. Have to go piss on his grave.

 

[OfficerObie59]

Ammo hoarder

Hell, this can't hold a candle to what some of us bring to the Monadnock shoots.

Nonetheless, this is one of those chest thumping photos posted by the PD to show the sheep "Hey, look at this scary shit you could maybe kinda sorta in a million years possibly be harmed with."

 

[buketduder]

Is Rachel handling this?

Yes, she is!

 

[CTpatriot]

Innocent until proven guilty.

Why should they suspend him without pay... why should they suspend him to begin with?

On the flip side... if he is found guilty, he forfeits his pension for a non-occupational incident.

it seems politicians never lose their pensions for convictions

 

[CTpatriot]

Did you ever watch/listen to one of Frank Lautenberg's rants? That would answer your question.

on the bright side, frank doesn't come down for breakfast no mo.

 

[TOM1960]

The only solution to this is to have friends willing to shoot and kill more people including media.

The only possible path left for this country is failure. When that happens there will be another civil war between those who have been on the govt dole and those who were funding it. The death toll will be much higher than the last civil war.

Some will call this view crazy. Those people will never give you an answer to $17T in debt and rising $1T per year. They are sheep.

Failure isn't always a bad thing. It is an opportunity to try again and get it right.