Cornyn and NRA Sponsor NICS expansion and "Due Process Protection"

[snd1t]

Cornyn and NRA Sponsor NICS expansion and "Due Process Protection"

Surprised I didnt find a thread on this yet

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...l-health-bill-needs-to-address-key-questions/

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2002?resultIndex=1

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...nator-cornyn-s-bill-to-halt-obama-nics-abuses

Looks like its been introduced but theres no summary/test......

Bill # is S 2002

I dont trust the NRA when it comes to increasing the size/scope of NICS

Its just another club they get to beat citizens over the head with

 

[ScottS]

I'm not sure why you characterize it as "an expansion of NICS," unless it's to intentionally sensationalize it.

Here's the synopsis of the bill from NRA-ILA

The bill clarifies that an “adjudication” under the Gun Control Act’s (GCA) mental health provisions will require due process protections, including a full hearing in which an individual has notice, the opportunity to participate, and the right to counsel.

The bill removes the category “lacks the ability to contract or manage affairs” as relevant to the determination of a prohibited person under the GCA. .

The bill even provides additional protections for veterans. It requires notification to veterans who have been submitted to NICS under the “fiduciary” program and an opportunity to have their individual case reviewed by a board established for this purpose.

The bill would also significantly expand avenues of relief from firearm prohibitions for others, including those who have their record expunged, those who are no longer subject to an order for treatment, and those who have been granted relief by a state program. The bill further requires the Attorney General to remove from NICS the record of any person who would not be considered prohibited under the new requirements of the bill.

The states will be encouraged to submit records with a “carrot and stick” approach where the states can maximize grant allocations by forwarding 90% or more of disqualifying mental health records within 18 months of the bill’s passage. Importantly, the bill’s safeguards provide the standards by which records can be transmitted. Only those mental health adjudications which comply with the new due process protections are to be forwarded.

It doesn't expand anything. It adds significant protections against arbitrary gun grabs by removing some categories and requiring due process hearings (for the first time ever) for "adjudication." It incentivizes states to report mental health records--and only those that meet the new criteria and pass due process hearings.

On it's face, it looks pretty solid. Hopefully, they won't let liberal swing hand a bunch of amendments on it.

 

[MachineHead]

...or it can be a smart marketing campaign so it's signed with the Left not noticing that it doesn't do nothing but reaffirm the 2A

 

[MA_Shooter]

...or it can be a smart marketing campaign so it's signed with the Left not noticing that it doesn't do nothing but reaffirm the 2A

You give our overlords too much credit.

 

[ScottS]

From the ref you posted

"The states will be encouraged to submit records with a “carrot and stick” "

More records=expansion

It's not "new" records. It's trying to get states to submit the records already required by NICS, only now they're subject to a new due process requirement. An expansion implies some new requirement into NICS.

Disbanding NICS is a fantasy. A nice fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless. Who has time to discuss fantasy? You might as well clamor for tax incentives for those buying battle rifles.

 

[Spanz]

yeah, they would never use these new powers against us without having good intentions.....

 

[headednorth]

yeah, they would never use these new powers against us without having good intentions.....

This. There will either be a bunch of b.s. added to the bill (Hughes ammd part II), or there's something in it now that either isnt being discussed, or whats in it now will be twisted in a way that only a demented Bolshevik could envision. We should be tearing down what laws are in place now, not adding to them, regardless of how benign they may appear.

 

[Fixxah]

Then we will be bombarded with junk mail asking for $$$ to stop the expansion of NICS.

 

[ScottS]

This. There will either be a bunch of b.s. added to the bill (Hughes ammd part II), or there's something in it now that either isnt being discussed, or whats in it now will be twisted in a way that only a demented Bolshevik could envision. We should be tearing down what laws are in place now, not adding to them, regardless of how benign they may appear.

Right, because that's how you move the ball forward in a government with a socialist President and a non-veto-proof majority in Congress. Where's that "rolls eyes" icon....

 

[GM-GUY]

My bet is they stick in an amendment that removes the 3-day requirement (that the nut job in SC got through on) and make it 'response required'. The Dems are already trying to get Cabelas and Bass Pro to do it voluntarily - meaning if NICS says nothing in the current required 3-day window, the sale still doesn't proceed.

Easiest way to eliminate the 2nd, you need a govt organization to approve - and they are shut down - or have one employee that is on vacation.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/19/b...n-prohibition-while-bloomberg-group-piles-on/

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3051/text

 

[MachineHead]

Cornyn and NRA Sponsor NICS expansion and "Due Process Protection"

I totally understand the viewpoints here. Next question: Can we dismantle NICS? If so, how do we feasibly dismantle NICS?

Would we have a better chance at national constitutional carry?

Either of the above unicorns sounds like great ideas, but are they possible?

 

[ScottS]

Records not already in NICS would necessarily be new records

As for dismantling NICS you have to have a goal

10 years ago con carry in a lot of states that now have it was a fantasy

I see your point, but we just disagree here. "New records" vs "New types," I guess. There will always be "new records" added to NICS. I just don't want any "new types" of records added.

You have a valid point about con carry, but I'm still skeptical that we could ever get NICS disbanded.

 

[drgrant]

I would only support this bill if it also authorizes funding to generically allow prohiibted persons to get their rights back via some form of due process. This provision already exists in the law but congress never funds it. There are thousands of people who did something stupid eons ago (often non violent) who have no gun rights because of an ancient conviction on weak crap.

-Mike

 

[Whutmeworry]

It's up to us to change the whole narrative. This is the ONLY way to eventually irradicate NICS.

Each and every one of us needs to insist that people understand that it is the government's job to keep dangerous people removed from free society, and that the government is just plain REFUSING TO DO IT'S JOB!!! As such, it is up to US, the PEOPLE to pressure the government to keep violent/dangerous people locked away from innocent, law-abiding people.

The average person needs to understand that the only justification for NICS even existing is the fact that the government is not doing it's job and because of this, the burden of enforcing the law has been shifted AWAY from the government, and this burden is now being borne by US the PEOPLE.

Violent criminal control (our government's responsibility), not gun control, is the ONLY ANSWER.