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So for the first time in forever I get pulled over, apparently I made the mistake of picking up a friend from a apartment building that's known for heavy drugs late at night. I pulled away and 30 seconds later blue flashy lights. And like a dumbass I got out when I was asked because I had no clue, seat belt was on, made full stop at stop sign, wasn't speeding, turn signal used. I thought he was going to show me a tail light out or I was dragging a body or something, that's when I noticed the one cop was actually a herd of them.
Ok confused but still in a friendly mood instantly I'm hit with lie #1. I was told one "saw me stuffing drugs into my pocket as they pulled up"! mmmmmm NO! Unless you can see thru a tailgate and front of bed wall and rear cab wall AND still a seat too. That would be pretty magical! I took that as he thought I was completely stupid. Friendly mode shifted into dick mode in a nanosecond. Challenge ACCEPTED!
They tried everything to get to search me and the car, mind games to try to trick me into agreeing to a search. The question of "do you mind if I search you real quick" is frigging designed to give permission on a no OR a yes. I said yeah as in 'yeah I do mind'. Instantly realized that could be taken as "yeah go ahead", blurted out 'no', quarter second later I'm realizing that could be taken as 'no I don't mind'. Luckily I manged to cough out "I'm not giving you permission to search anything" as the closest cop starting moving in for the search. Quick argument about you just gave permission was settled with making it very clear I'm not interested in being touched. Then off to the separating me and the passenger to try to get different "story's" but that was easily countered after I realized what was happening with "ask her" a few times. Seeing that's destined to fail they move on to some major lying. I was informed they do not need any permission to search me or my vehicle because the street I came from was well known for drugs, apparently as if that's probable cause now. And one said something along the lines of my refusal of a search constitutes probable cause because only people who have something to hide would say that, or some crap along those lines, I was distracted with one poking around the windows with a flashlight and reinforcing the "I dont consent to a search" so that part is fuzzy, but that's what he was getting at. Looooong story short, I stood out in the rain for 20+ minutes, they told me 20 ways of how they don't need my permission and "YOU ARE going to be searched" but in the end I didn't get searched nor did the vehicle. Passenger however is another story but she's never been known for being able to say no to men in any capacity at all so that wasnt a shock...
Some things I learned...
To their credit once they realized they weren't getting anywhere they did stop treating me like a suspect/drug lord/liar and tried to explain what and why they were doing it but at that point of 20+ minutes of standing there thinking "do these guys really think I'm that stupid" and feeling like I'm a meth head who has no rights over and over I was so aggravated I was a complete a-hole and trying to push any of their buttons about anything I could. Looking back I should have went with "Am I free to go" after I was told "You're not going to get very far with your attitude" instead of "it got me the F* out of here without being searched now didnt it", but they handled that well too. I kind of felt bad about a few minutes later driving down the road after I calmed down a bit.
Post game notes: Nothing illegal on me or in the car at all, I really was just picking up a friend from her friends apt. After I got back home I realized I should have emptied my pockets in front of them after I was "free'd" just to make a point. Oh well.
Ok confused but still in a friendly mood instantly I'm hit with lie #1. I was told one "saw me stuffing drugs into my pocket as they pulled up"! mmmmmm NO! Unless you can see thru a tailgate and front of bed wall and rear cab wall AND still a seat too. That would be pretty magical! I took that as he thought I was completely stupid. Friendly mode shifted into dick mode in a nanosecond. Challenge ACCEPTED!
They tried everything to get to search me and the car, mind games to try to trick me into agreeing to a search. The question of "do you mind if I search you real quick" is frigging designed to give permission on a no OR a yes. I said yeah as in 'yeah I do mind'. Instantly realized that could be taken as "yeah go ahead", blurted out 'no', quarter second later I'm realizing that could be taken as 'no I don't mind'. Luckily I manged to cough out "I'm not giving you permission to search anything" as the closest cop starting moving in for the search. Quick argument about you just gave permission was settled with making it very clear I'm not interested in being touched. Then off to the separating me and the passenger to try to get different "story's" but that was easily countered after I realized what was happening with "ask her" a few times. Seeing that's destined to fail they move on to some major lying. I was informed they do not need any permission to search me or my vehicle because the street I came from was well known for drugs, apparently as if that's probable cause now. And one said something along the lines of my refusal of a search constitutes probable cause because only people who have something to hide would say that, or some crap along those lines, I was distracted with one poking around the windows with a flashlight and reinforcing the "I dont consent to a search" so that part is fuzzy, but that's what he was getting at. Looooong story short, I stood out in the rain for 20+ minutes, they told me 20 ways of how they don't need my permission and "YOU ARE going to be searched" but in the end I didn't get searched nor did the vehicle. Passenger however is another story but she's never been known for being able to say no to men in any capacity at all so that wasnt a shock...
Some things I learned...
- I don't think they encounter people who know they have rights very often if even ever. The main cop seemed almost stunned I declined on his first request to search my pockets, it was like that never happened to him before.
- They absolutely bank on people being either stupid, gullible, or intimidated! They seem almost confused on what to do if they come across someone who doesn't fit into one of those categories.
- Using the phrase "Enough of this shit. Arrest me and get me a lawyer" pretty much puts a stop to the process, they stepped down off my balls instantly after that. Not sure why, maybe under the law right there they have to stop without a lawyer present? I thought that was only after an arrest though? Or possibly it's just a realization that even if they invent something to arrest me for I'm instantly demanding a lawyer and not chatting my way into a real charge when I get into a interrogation room. Hrm, wish I knew.
To their credit once they realized they weren't getting anywhere they did stop treating me like a suspect/drug lord/liar and tried to explain what and why they were doing it but at that point of 20+ minutes of standing there thinking "do these guys really think I'm that stupid" and feeling like I'm a meth head who has no rights over and over I was so aggravated I was a complete a-hole and trying to push any of their buttons about anything I could. Looking back I should have went with "Am I free to go" after I was told "You're not going to get very far with your attitude" instead of "it got me the F* out of here without being searched now didnt it", but they handled that well too. I kind of felt bad about a few minutes later driving down the road after I calmed down a bit.
Post game notes: Nothing illegal on me or in the car at all, I really was just picking up a friend from her friends apt. After I got back home I realized I should have emptied my pockets in front of them after I was "free'd" just to make a point. Oh well.