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Contemplating Moving to a More Free State

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Don’t judge SC on Myrtle Beach...it’d be like judging NH on Hampton (shithole).

I ‘lived’ in SC for 3 months at Parris Island and it is absolutely beautiful there. Gets too hot for me though. Not all of Texas is flat...it’s a damn big state. Texas is absolutely hands down your best bet for freedom indefinitely at this point. If Californians try to take over any more, Texans WILL revolt and have a tar/feather party. Those cowboys don’t f*** around and they are alive and well.

Personally, when I have no reason to have to visit the northeast anymore (family), I’ll be heading west again. Northern Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, or South Dakota. I just like the mountains region.

+1 in Texas, you won’t have to move again when the US breaks up.
 

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Eh, this decision gets harder and harder to make every year with the way folks are migrating. COVID has only made it even harder. One thing I can say for certain - if you dont want to have to move again in the future, you want to look elsewhere than NH/VT/ME. What really sucks in those states is that a small, city based, liberal core might gain control of the rest of the state. The parts that are sparsley rural will then have to follow assinine gun laws that don't work for where they live.
 
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You are right I have been hunting & fishing and have a camp since 1975. It is about 30 miles north of Bangor. The amount of Liberals that have moved into Bangor area and it has really started to change the culture. Lots of people who are anti hunting and trapping. Even the Bangor city council have a few progressive members.
 

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Even the Bangor city council have a few progressive members.
It is how the poison enters the brain. Those are not ‘progressive’. They do for sure want you to think of them that way, but they are not. They are the regressive oppressive force, socialists. There is nothing progressive about that.
 

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I moved to New Hampshire and love it.....except for the slow shift to liberal politics. My choice would be South Dakota or Montana. If things keep going crazy liberal here in NH that is where Im heading. I have good friends who fled Massachusetts and moved to Montana and they love it. So for what its worth those are my two choices.
 

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This map gives you a better idea of what states are free-er. If you hold the cursor over the state it gives you the percentage that voted for Trump. Ex. Wyoming is 70.38%
It might help if I'd posted the map. election map 2020 - Bing
Here is a better map. NH should be much more red as NSA found massive voter fraud there...
 

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Here is a better map. NH should be much more red as NSA found massive voter fraud there...
That map only shows where the red areas are but it doesn't show how red they are. The map I posted if you hold your cursor over the area it shows the percentage that voted for Trump. An example Wyoming was 70%, Iowa only 53% so it would be less likely for Wyoming to flip anytime soon compared to Iowa. If I'm going to take the time and money to move I want to move where it's less likely to flip within the next election cycle or two. Although with all the corruption going on freedom may not last long anywhere.
 
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Is it this range?
yup, that's the one. $250/yr for pistol/rifle, not much more than my club . Area looks great, Fall Creek Falls SP close by, and several other sizeable parks and wooded areas. But now, my wife is seeing houses moving real fast there, and mentioned Missouri...which I had brought up when they made the 2A news with their plan to rescind all Fed anti 2A laws...all in all, it's seeming like a win/win situation once I get out of the NE.. Taxes seem more favorable in TN, but once again, compared to where we are, anyplace else is a step in the right direction...once you're past NJ anyways, and stopping before Cali.:p
Wife says if TX secedes, we're headed there...we have little in common, but we share beliefs in what matters.
 
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Still a few years away from being able to consider a move, but I’m starting to think an hour outside of Nashville. Maybe somewhere between Knoxville or Chattanooga. Still need to research towns re: healthcare, crime, 2A, property/land values, taxes, etc.

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that's where the wife and I are planning our RV based house hunting tour in a few months. Spencer/McMinnville/Crossville/Pikeville etc...I love the Zillow.com site, as it shows a map of the area, lot size/shape etc...then decrease magnification and check the area for towns offering the stuff you need. Stuff's going quick, wife's getting discouraged, but I think we'll be okay...otherwise, it's off to Missouri, TX, or northern Fl..
 

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yup, that's the one. $250/yr for pistol/rifle, not much more than my club . Area looks great, Fall Creek Falls SP close by, and several other sizeable parks and wooded areas. But now, my wife is seeing houses moving real fast there, and mentioned Missouri...which I had brought up when they made the 2A news with their plan to rescind all Fed anti 2A laws...all in all, it's seeming like a win/win situation once I get out of the NE.. Taxes seem more favorable in TN, but once again, compared to where we are, anyplace else is a step in the right direction...once you're past NJ anyways, and stopping before Cali.:p
Wife says if TX secedes, we're headed there...we have little in common, but we share beliefs in what matters.
We’ll be in Walden/ Signal Mountain.
Found that range in a search.
Theres an 800 yd in or east of Chattanooga
 
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We’ll be in Walden/ Signal Mountain.
Found that range in a search.
Theres an 800 yd in or east of Chattanooga
Nice. I'm pretty bored at the 330 yards my club offers, if I get the right lane and set my own steel....been shooting .22lr at 200 for some fun, but would love to see the hits with the larger calibers. My son has shot at the one in Spencer, and I'd bet he's been to the other you mentioned. I'll ask. He still trains a lot, and seems to be in the right place to do that, suburb of Chattanooga.
Wife and I are getting antsy to get in gear, waiting on the "painter from hell" to quit promising eternal bliss and actually finish the darn job so we can get our place on the market.....
 
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Yea Colorado is off the list. Really coming around to the idea of South Carolina

It’s a big state with lots of options. When I read these ’Moving out of MA’ threads it strikes me that some folks can‘t get past thinking of states as one homogeneous area. State laws are state laws but beyond that, climate, terrain, culture, and economics can vary wildly from one end of the state to the other. It’s a four and a half hour drive from Myrtle Beach to Seneca and the state runs from ocean level to over 3000’. Even Myrtle Beach to Charleston to Edisto are completely different areas never mind Greenville, TR, or someplace out around the lakes. Regulation wise it seems you can do more of whatever the hell you want without being bothered than any other state in the area. We live in NC but often when we’re having a day or weekend out we end up in SC. I’d think you could be very happy there provided you find yourself in the right area.
 
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Nice. I'm pretty bored at the 330 yards my club offers, if I get the right lane and set my own steel....been shooting .22lr at 200 for some fun, but would love to see the hits with the larger calibers. My son has shot at the one in Spencer, and I'd bet he's been to the other you mentioned. I'll ask. He still trains a lot, and seems to be in the right place to do that, suburb of Chattanooga.
Wife and I are getting antsy to get in gear, waiting on the "painter from hell" to quit promising eternal bliss and actually finish the darn job so we can get our place on the market.....

We’re waiting on the builder to get back with a dollar amount. They’re all straight out down there. Took about a month to find a soil tester last year, he was out of georgia.


Sold the house in Nov, closed at the end of Jan. Was the last house in a 5 house transaction, we were the only house without contingencies. Some potato out of roxbury bought it, sold his 3 decker. Sittin on a pile of cash (first-world problems) Wife made it very clear I’m not allowed to spend it on a machine gun. Such a fun-vacuum. Probably be here at my mothers till Aug if everything goes right.
Hopefully.
 

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It’s a big state with lots of options. When I read these ’Moving out of MA’ threads it strikes me that some folks can‘t get past thinking of states as one homogeneous area. State laws are state laws but beyond that, climate, terrain, culture, and economics can vary wildly from one end of the state to the other. It’s a four and a half hour drive from Myrtle Beach to Seneca and the state runs from ocean level to over 3000’. Even Myrtle Beach to Charleston to Edisto are completely different areas never mind Greenville, TR, or someplace out around the lakes. Regulation wise it seems you can do more of whatever the hell you want without being bothered than any other state in the area. We live in NC but often when we’re having a day or weekend out we end up in SC. I’d think you could be very happy there provided you find yourself in the right area.
Great point with respect to SC (and I assume other areas). I have lived in SC, and MB is very different from Charleston and both very different from the “upstate”. And even within the upstate, Greenville is very different from the foothills and Lake Keowee (incredibly beautiful area). Plenty of different options in SC.
 

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Another thought about what states may do...

The "United States" is just that. A group of separate entities organized not unlike the Soviet Union once was. Different politics, different dynamics, sure. But there's no compelling reason other than tradition and a couple of pieces of paper to make it so.

Since the original reason for the US to BE the US is gone, and has now been replaced by another, arguably MORE autocratic government, I really don't see much compelling reason for unity absent those two things above. Most of the states are no different than most other countries in the world, some (Texas, California, Alaska) are significantly larger.

In many ways, we are becoming less similar every day. So why stay together? I don't necessarily think that's a good thing, just see more things pushing us apart than pulling us together.
This is an important point to consider and something we don't generally think of like prior generations did, particularly when people still remembered the Revolution. Our gov't is around 2/3 federal and 1/3 state. Switzerland is the opposite. I'd love to see the balance shift to more and more local control. The difficulty is how much our states rely on each other -- industry, agriculture, etc. are pretty divided up. And there will always be the de facto tyrants, like California effectively regulating the car industry for all of us.
 
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We have been looking at Tenesse. I been full time work from home for 4 yrs now. I been pushing this and atlast the wife has had enough of the libtards.
so we are looking at Cookeville, Clarksville , Lebannon. All suburbs of Nashville .

We are looking for better schools than the one we have right now and all this qualify . We spend a weekend down there in Oct for vacation and i have spend over 10 vacation weeks in TN/NC in the smokies as its one of my fav places to hike,fish, camp and ride my motorcycles.

We are heading down again to do a school and neighborhood scouting in 3 weeks.

thank
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That map only shows where the red areas are but it doesn't show how red they are. The map I posted if you hold your cursor over the area it shows the percentage that voted for Trump. An example Wyoming was 70%, Iowa only 53% so it would be less likely for Wyoming to flip anytime soon compared to Iowa. If I'm going to take the time and money to move I want to move where it's less likely to flip within the next election cycle or two. Although with all the corruption going on freedom may not last long anywhere.
It's easy enough to pick a town and research what percentage voted red. So you can pick a smaller foot print and also see how the neighboring towns also voted. Also, my map shows the obvious break down between rural and urban centers / voters.
 

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It’s a big state with lots of options. When I read these ’Moving out of MA’ threads it strikes me that some folks can‘t get past thinking of states as one homogeneous area. State laws are state laws but beyond that, climate, terrain, culture, and economics can vary wildly from one end of the state to the other. It’s a four and a half hour drive from Myrtle Beach to Seneca and the state runs from ocean level to over 3000’. Even Myrtle Beach to Charleston to Edisto are completely different areas never mind Greenville, TR, or someplace out around the lakes. Regulation wise it seems you can do more of whatever the hell you want without being bothered than any other state in the area. We live in NC but often when we’re having a day or weekend out we end up in SC. I’d think you could be very happy there provided you find yourself in the right area.

Yep. There are definitely differences in state. https://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article217841755.html

I'm in the midland. I would rather be Upstate, but we have a quick drive to either the "mountains" or the beach. We like our little town, which does seem to be expanding rapidly and will continue to expand with the increased job opportunities, which is good and bad.
 

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We have been looking at Tenesse. I been full time work from home for 4 yrs now. I been pushing this and atlast the wife has had enough of the libtards.
so we are looking at Cookeville, Clarksville , Lebannon. All suburbs of Nashville .

We are looking for better schools than the one we have right now and all this qualify . We spend a weekend down there in Oct for vacation and i have spend over 10 vacation weeks in TN/NC in the smokies as its one of my fav places to hike,fish, camp and ride my motorcycles.

We are heading down again to do a school and neighborhood scouting in 3 weeks.

thank
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Nice! Please report back what you learn.
I think one of the biggest downsides with that area is trying to find something with 10+ acres. Most are fairly pricey. Need to go further out for that. If that isn’t critical than the area has a lot to offer.
 

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It's easy enough to pick a town and research what percentage voted red. So you can pick a smaller foot print and also see how the neighboring towns also voted. Also, my map shows the obvious break down between rural and urban centers / voters.
Yes but unfortunately the cities affect the towns and the less red the more likely things will be flipped sooner, at least in some area's.
 

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Our gov't is around 2/3 federal and 1/3 state. Switzerland is the opposite. I'd love to see the balance shift to more and more local control. The difficulty is how much our states rely on each other -- industry, agriculture, etc. are pretty divided up.
Repeal the 17th amendment and you'll start to see the Feds GAF about what the state houses think
(if not the state citizens).
 
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I am fortunate enough to be in a situation where I could uproot my life and move. I have been heavily weighing this option over the past year with the way everything has shaken down. I know ultimately there is no escaping this new administration, but I envy seeing those that live in more conservative states for a variety of reasons.

my girl and I have talked about South Carolina. She likes it there and has always wanted to go. I am not too keen on the idea because I don’t know much about it there, I’ve been to Myrtle Beach once and I know it’s kind of prone to hurricanes.

I like Texas, but it’s flat and I hate how it seems that Californians are destined to ruin the state. Arizona seems cool, in certain areas. I love the idea of Colorado (although more blue, maybe not a good idea), Utah, or Wyoming. But again, I know nothing about the mountain region. The only part that sucks about that is I will usually like to visit the coast once a year, which wouldn’t be possible with a landlocked state.

has anyone thought the same? Where seems the most prosperous for a more free future? I am
Fairly young (30) and we don’t have plans for kids any time soon.
UT, ND, SD, WY, ID, MT are pretty much locks for remaining free. Due to weather and such, plus less Libs invade those states.
 

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Not reading the whole thread at this pint. I'm in eastern Tennessee, see my thread in off topic called Tennessee Chronicles for more.

We were in Chelmsford MA. I moved there having gone NJ (born/raised) to Indiana (1 year) to Arizona (Phoenix Valley for 8) to MA (12 years, divorced and remarried) to home in Jefferson County TN. For 1 1 1/2 years now. I'm 57, still working. Wife was born and raised and lived her entire life in MA until we moved.

Short (lol) list of reasons for TN and against pretty much everything else. NE is cold, so is the northern third of the country. West coast is brain dead. SW is hot, dusty, dry, and no longer speaks English. Texas IS flat, and not nearly as gun-friendly as people say. Read. Southeast gets hurricanes (so does Texas actually) and floods. And skeeters. East coast gets hurricanes, all the way up to NJ and NY. Midwest is flat and square. Think about why the states are squares. The bigger the cities, the liberal-er the state. And don't forget that pesky 200-mile zone where ALL the constitution isn't valid.

We looked for deep red, small-to-medium cities, good economy, low taxes, fairly moderate climate,low crime, rideable (m/c) roads, 2a friendly areas. We ended up with southern Kentucky, Western Carolinas, NW Georgia, northern Louisiana area. All had advantages and disadvantages, we'd never been to any.

Did more research,settked on Tennessee between Knoxville and Nashville. Came house hunting, looked at 8 houses in 2 days east of Knoxville. Bought a house in Jefferson County that trip, actually signing E-docs literally will boarding the plane. Almost got hollered at by the stewardess.

21 acres, 1200sq ft, 840sq ft detached shop, 150sq ft detached "she-shed". Full basement. $169k. Yup. $850/year taxes. Yup. Range is 15 feet from my walkout basement. Nearest neighbor is 1/4 mile away. Deer and turkeys constantly in my yard. 140 acre cow pasture across the street.

Moving here was the best decision I ever made. After marrying Lady Radtekk that is.

Oh, Jefferson County is a "2a sanctuary County" and there's talk of TN becoming a sanctuary state.

Nobody likes Biden much down here. My "Trump 2020, because liberalism is a mental disorder" t-shirt gets positive comments EVERY time I wear it.

ETA: In response to somebody, I think @76Too ?, but maybe not... My 19 y/o has driven from Manchester to me solo in about 14-15 hours a couple of times, 21 y/o makes it from Windermere FL (near Disney) in 11 or so, also solo. Lady Radtekk and I drove down from Chelmsford once, two easy days, leisurely driving, hour for lunch, etc.
My daughter and husband to be are in Tennessee right now. They got there in fourteen hours. They are having a ball there. They got a rippin deal on some cowboy boots per the recommendation of a friendly local they bumped into. Now they are at some huge aquarium that I believe is in Tennessee. The penguins have free roam of the place :)
 
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Id be some folks said the same about Colorado before the Libs did invade.
Yes, but reason is due to Denver having always been a major city and major air hub. That's why. Just like Atlanta, GA. I lived in Denver (Boulder) for a couple years and the climate can actually be quite mild in the Winter. One day it's snowing two feet and the next day the Chinook winds have it at 70 degrees.
 

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I lived in Denver (Boulder) for a couple years and the climate can actually be quite mild in the Winter. One day it's snowing two feet and the next day the Chinook winds have it at 70 degrees.
A native once told me that in some towns no one has windows facing the mountains
because it gets expensive replacing all the glass broken by Chinook-propelled cobblestones.
[shocked]
 
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