Contemplating Moving to a More Free State

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I am fortunate enough to be in a situation where I could uproot my life and move. I have been heavily weighing this option over the past year with the way everything has shaken down. I know ultimately there is no escaping this new administration, but I envy seeing those that live in more conservative states for a variety of reasons.

my girl and I have talked about South Carolina. She likes it there and has always wanted to go. I am not too keen on the idea because I don’t know much about it there, I’ve been to Myrtle Beach once and I know it’s kind of prone to hurricanes.

I like Texas, but it’s flat and I hate how it seems that Californians are destined to ruin the state. Arizona seems cool, in certain areas. I love the idea of Colorado (although more blue, maybe not a good idea), Utah, or Wyoming. But again, I know nothing about the mountain region. The only part that sucks about that is I will usually like to visit the coast once a year, which wouldn’t be possible with a landlocked state.

has anyone thought the same? Where seems the most prosperous for a more free future? I am
Fairly young (30) and we don’t have plans for kids any time soon.
 

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Don’t judge SC on Myrtle Beach...it’d be like judging NH on Hampton (shithole).

I ‘lived’ in SC for 3 months at Parris Island and it is absolutely beautiful there. Gets too hot for me though. Not all of Texas is flat...it’s a damn big state. Texas is absolutely hands down your best bet for freedom indefinitely at this point. If Californians try to take over any more, Texans WILL revolt and have a tar/feather party. Those cowboys don’t f*** around and they are alive and well.

Personally, when I have no reason to have to visit the northeast anymore (family), I’ll be heading west again. Northern Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, or South Dakota. I just like the mountains region.
 
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Don’t judge SC on Myrtle Beach...it’d be like judging NH on Hampton (shithole).

Yea I definitely don’t judge, that’s why I mentioned that’s where I’ve only been. I just didn’t wanna be too far from the coast, so I’ve been researching areas that are further inland, but within reasonable driving distance to the beach
 

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Texas is going blue.
Arizona is purple.
Colorado is blue.

I'm interested in Idaho and Wyoming, perhaps Montana, but who knows how long they'll last.

I've been to SC, but only the touristy areas.
Utah seems nice; lots of Mormons; nothing against them necessarily, I've just heard they can be kind of exclusionary in terms of certain things like employment.
 

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Texas is going blue.
Arizona is purple.
Colorado is blue.

I'm interested in Idaho and Wyoming, perhaps Montana, but who knows how long they'll last.

I've been to SC, but only the touristy areas.
Utah seems nice; lots of Mormons; nothing against them necessarily, I've just heard they can be kind of exclusionary in terms of certain things like employment.

Idaho borders Oregon/Washington, don’t forget. Plenty of lefties there too, unfortunately...and getting worse by the day from what I’m reading.
 

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Texas is going blue.
Arizona is purple.
Colorado is blue.

I'm interested in Idaho and Wyoming, perhaps Montana, but who knows how long they'll last.

I've been to SC, but only the touristy areas.
Utah seems nice; lots of Mormons; nothing against them necessarily, I've just heard they can be kind of exclusionary in terms of certain things like employment.
Yea I kind of went back on the Colorado statement once I realized how much it has turned.

I don’t like where Texas is going. The idea of SC is enticing because it’s only like 20 hours drive from MA where my family would most likely continue to reside.
 

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Don’t judge SC on Myrtle Beach...it’d be like judging NH on Hampton (shithole).

I ‘lived’ in SC for 3 months at Parris Island and it is absolutely beautiful there. Gets too hot for me though. Not all of Texas is flat...it’s a damn big state. Texas is absolutely hands down your best bet for freedom indefinitely at this point. If Californians try to take over any more, Texans WILL revolt and have a tar/feather party. Those cowboys don’t f*** around and they are alive and well.

Personally, when I have no reason to have to visit the northeast anymore (family), I’ll be heading west again. Northern Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, or South Dakota. I just like the mountains region.
I really hope so. I see guys like Joe Rogan out there who is pretty liberal, but seems like he’s had a lot of conservative influence from friends since moving to Texas. When I think of the ultimate form of being free, I think of Texas. I would hate to see that fall to shit from idiot Californians who can’t own up to their mistakes.

I’ve heard northern Arizona is vastly different than down by Tucson and Phoenix in a good way.
 

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I'm 71 and I am also contemplating a move in the near future, probably by myself. Just have one major roadblock I have to consider.

I like Texas, but it’s flat and I hate how it seems that Californians are destined to ruin the state.

I've got news for you. Californians, or other groups, are moving to all of the good states with the intent of ruining them. They did it to Washington State, others have done it to Virginia.

Your first consideration should be a geographical are which appeals to you and where you think you would fit in. I've lived in North Carolina but the summers were brutal.

I was considering Wyoming but lately have been investigating Texas. I am corresponding with a few good NES members about potential areas of Texas to look at.
 

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I’ve heard northern Arizona is vastly different than down by Tucson and Phoenix in a good way.

Very true. I lived in Phoenix for 2.5 years and as much as I loved the valley life (lots of history) it kinda sucked with all the immigrants/illegals...but it’s gotten worse there since 2000-2001 when I was there. If I go back, I’ll be in Prescott or Flagstaff area most likely.
 

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Where are you going to run to when your getaway state goes to shit? The sooner the state you are in collapses the sooner you can rebuild it. Running will just leave you forever uprooted and living in decline.
 
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Texas is probably the most overrated place in the world. The Texas ego is unwarranted. The gun laws are honestly sub-par. You can't carry a gun without a permit, the stupid 50 percent bar law makes you a felon for going into a restaurant, and there's binding signage EVERYWHERE. I'm so tired of hearing the myth that Texas is a gun owners paradise, it's in the middle of the pack at best.

It's also one giant strip mall, unless you're in west Texas, which gets a little more scenic if you're into oil fields.

Ironically the coolest place for a 30 something is Austin, but it's as left as any other major US city. Excellent restaurants, greenway, nightlife.

The west has pockets of beautiful areas that are growing rapidly and have produced tremendous real estate prices. If you're looking for a state that will likely never turn blue Wyoming is probably your best bet. It isn't growing like Idaho, Utah, or Montana. Jackson region is beautiful but stupid expensive. I'd look around Cody.

I can't comment on South Carolina as I've been once. I was personally unimpressed, but it seems like it's only going to get "redder" over time and you can escape to the beach as you see fit. Plus southern girls are fantastic if things fall apart with your current situation...

Honestly a balanced life with red politics, varied activities, fantastic weather, and proximity to other cool states is probably Utah.
Their economy is booming, it's safe, and you've got both outdoor and urban life. Sure there are mormons but the state is more culturally progressive than it used to be (in a good way).

I've lived in Colorado, Montana, and New Mexico so if you have any more questions feel free to reach out.

I'm also 32 for what it's worth...
 

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Don’t judge SC on Myrtle Beach...it’d be like judging NH on Hampton (shithole).

I ‘lived’ in SC for 3 months at Parris Island and it is absolutely beautiful there. Gets too hot for me though. Not all of Texas is flat...it’s a damn big state. Texas is absolutely hands down your best bet for freedom indefinitely at this point. If Californians try to take over any more, Texans WILL revolt and have a tar/feather party. Those cowboys don’t f*** around and they are alive and well.

Personally, when I have no reason to have to visit the northeast anymore (family), I’ll be heading west again. Northern Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, or South Dakota. I just like the mountains region.

Texas almost voted in Beto in the last election.
 

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i used to live in charlotte for a few years after college and loved it. if it were up to me i'd move back down there in a heartbeat. my parents liked it so much they moved there after i moved back to new england. at least i get to go visit
 

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Texas is probably the most overrated place in the world. The Texas ego is unwarranted. The gun laws are honestly sub-par. You can't carry a gun without a permit, the stupid 50 percent bar law makes you a felon for going into a restaurant, and there's binding signage EVERYWHERE. I'm so tired of hearing the myth that Texas is a gun owners paradise, it's in the middle of the pack at best.

It's also one giant strip mall, unless you're in west Texas, which gets a little more scenic if you're into oil fields.

Ironically the coolest place for a 30 something is Austin, but it's as left as any other major US city. Excellent restaurants, greenway, nightlife.

The west has pockets of beautiful areas that are growing rapidly and have produced tremendous real estate prices. If you're looking for a state that will likely never turn blue Wyoming is probably your best bet. It isn't growing like Idaho, Utah, or Montana. Jackson region is beautiful but stupid expensive. I'd look around Cody.

I can't comment on South Carolina as I've been once. I was personally unimpressed, but it seems like it's only going to get "redder" over time and you can escape to the beach as you see fit. Plus southern girls are fantastic if things fall apart with your current situation...

Honestly a balanced life with red politics, varied activities, fantastic weather, and proximity to other cool states is probably Utah.
Their economy is booming, it's safe, and you've got both outdoor and urban life. Sure there are mormons but the state is more culturally progressive than it used to be (in a good way).

I've lived in Colorado, Montana, and New Mexico so if you have any more questions feel free to reach out.

I'm also 32 for what it's worth...

was just laughing at the southern girl’s response.

I really appreciate the in depth break down. I really need to get out and experience the mountains region. I have a feeling this year is going to dictate how my future looks with my significant other. Regardless, I could still move on my own.
 

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I'm not a huge SC fan. Way too hot, limited scenery opportunities as far as hills. Western NC is nice, but it is essentially a southern blue state and is more expensive than SC. TN, KY, WV, South Central IN, parts of OH, WY, MT, the Dakotas, ID, UT, and AK(not Los Anchorage) are nice. Northern MI and WI is nice for blue ish states. Hilly parts of OK and AR are nice, but it is hot.

As usual, you have to weigh your career opportunities against your future location.

City Data has a decent repository of information and an OK set of location related forums.

City-Data.com Forum: Relocation, Moving, General and Local City Discussions
 
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was just laughing at the southern girl’s response.

I really appreciate the in depth break down. I really need to get out and experience the mountains region. I have a feeling this year is going to dictate how my future looks with my significant other. Regardless, I could still move on my own.

You have to visit where you intend to move to, preferably multiple times. Peoples' perceptions of areas are extremely subjective, even if people are generally similar politically. One person might love where they live, another might absolutely hate it. Different people have different takes on pretty much everything, from hobbies to social class.

Put it this way, if you posted "what's Boston like?", how many different responses would you get on here?
 

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You have to visit where you intend to move to, preferably multiple times. Peoples' perceptions of areas are extremely subjective, even if people are generally similar politically. One person might love where they live, another might absolutely hate it. Different people have different takes on pretty much everything, from hobbies to social class.

Put it this way, if you posted "what's Boston like?", how many different responses would you get on here?
true story. i've enjoyed every part of texas i've visited for different reasons. i'm a closet redneck though, so things i love my husband hates
 

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Out of those that you picked, go there, and not to the tourist part. Go about 45 mins away from the tourist parts. See how you like it.
Look into the demographics, the cost of living, avg income based on your line of work, pull voting records, crime stats, whats gas go for currently compared to up here, compare sales, income and property tax, how close are you to a city if you work remote or are in a trade, what can you live without, can I make moonshine in my garage, if someone tries to break in and I paint the walls with their innards what are the repercussions, if a tree falls in the forest and lands on a liberal does anyone care, whats around for hunting, are teeth optional, hows the fishing in that area, what are the town ordinances for shooting on private property, whats available for utilities, did this state outlaw porn, whats this states tax on retirement stuff.

Oddly enough I watched a few you-tube vids and read a few articles yesterday on the california exodus.

The amount of people leaving were quite impressive. There were a few stats on what states they went to. Don't assume that they're all liberals either, from what I gathered it was mostly people who couldn't take it anymore and wanted out before more retarded taxes were imposed.

Wife and I were lookin last year in Northern/ North Western Georgia. Ended up buying land in S.E Tennessee.
We were just driving around and I said I'm going to die on this mountain. Either of old age or in in a pile of brass.

Do a ton of research and weigh all the pros and cons. Took us about a year and a half.
 

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If you want to go south, consider Tennessee. Some NES'ers have escaped to there. If you don't like the heat & humidity so much the hills regions are not bad.
Personally I'm considering the mountain west (ex ID, MT, WY, UT, western SD). Each has advantages and disadvantages depending up things like how close you want/need to be to big city amenities (ex. health care), job availability if you need work, retirement taxation, etc.
 

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My thoughts if your interested. California was the number one state last year for loosing residents. Massachusetts was also up there. Your a young guy so its something to consider. Will some states change politically in the next 10-20 years? Who knows. I'm 36, live behind enemy lines, and don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon. My state has great education for my kids (still young), my wife and I have great jobs, and I have lots of family nearby. My plan is to possibly make a move when the kids go to/ or graduate college. That said, if it was just my wife and I? SEE YA!!!
 
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Texas is going blue.
Arizona is purple.
Colorado is blue.

Why is this a disqualifier?

If we all move to a purely red state all that happens is it turns more red. It is unlikely to move enough people in to make the population large enough to swing the course of the country through additional representatives or electoral votes (I know... that is all so last year)

However, if you move to a purple state you make it more red. All you need is 51% red to make the state red and that can have a much larger impact.

So why would you let the liberals take over yet another state and move somewhere your vote doesn't matter (be it red where everyone thinks like you or blue where no one thinks like you) when you could move to a swing state and have a larger impact?
 
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I am fortunate enough to be in a situation where I could uproot my life and move. I have been heavily weighing this option over the past year with the way everything has shaken down. I know ultimately there is no escaping this new administration, but I envy seeing those that live in more conservative states for a variety of reasons.

my girl and I have talked about South Carolina. She likes it there and has always wanted to go. I am not too keen on the idea because I don’t know much about it there, I’ve been to Myrtle Beach once and I know it’s kind of prone to hurricanes.

I like Texas, but it’s flat and I hate how it seems that Californians are destined to ruin the state. Arizona seems cool, in certain areas. I love the idea of Colorado (although more blue, maybe not a good idea), Utah, or Wyoming. But again, I know nothing about the mountain region. The only part that sucks about that is I will usually like to visit the coast once a year, which wouldn’t be possible with a landlocked state.

has anyone thought the same? Where seems the most prosperous for a more free future? I am
Fairly young (30) and we don’t have plans for kids any time soon.
Texas is boring, unfortunately. Lots of distance to drive, if going on a trip. I am contemplating a move back to PA (or NC)
I have worked most of the last year in CO. It's nice, but not my cup of tea. Utah and Wyoming would take first places, IMO. I do love Wyoming.
 
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was just laughing at the southern girl’s response.

I really appreciate the in depth break down. I really need to get out and experience the mountains region. I have a feeling this year is going to dictate how my future looks with my significant other. Regardless, I could still move on my own.
Considering you're asking for moving advice and not relationship advice I won't go there, but I did bring my ex to Montana and it was one of the best experiences of her life. We're still friends to this day regardless. Just don't buy a house if you anticipate things going south...

And I'll echo what others have said. If you have a bit of savings and aren't afraid to talk to people, throw a bag in your car and spend a month driving the west. You'll have the trip of a lifetime and really learn what areas are good for you. I've found our perceptions are far from reality in so many cases. Alaska, for example, is unlike anything you can describe in the written word.
 

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Why is this a disqualifier?

If we all move to a purely red state all that happens is it turns more red. It is unlikely to move enough people in to make the population large enough to swing the course of the country through additional representatives or electoral votes (I know... that is all so last year)

However, if you move to a purple state you make it more red. All you need is 51% red to make the state red and that can have a much larger impact.

So why would you let the liberals take over yet another state and move somewhere your vote doesn't matter (be it red where everyone thinks like you or blue where no one thinks like you) when you could move to a swing state and have a larger impact?
It's a matter of personal choice. A MA person moving to Colorado would get some comparative 2A freedoms but you're still submitting to mag capacity limits, AWB type stuff, etc. I mean, glass half full a MA person could say "yes! I can have 15 round mags, bye bye 10 rounders!" But if I am packing up and moving across the country, I'm not going to pick a state that won't let me have 30+ rounders.

I wasn't saying those are disqualifiers per se, just pointing it out for OP.
I'm not sure Texas can be saved. And once Texas goes solid blue, it's game over. Winning CA + NY + TX = 45% of the electoral college votes to win already, with just those three states.
 

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I am fortunate enough to be in a situation where I could uproot my life and move. I have been heavily weighing this option over the past year with the way everything has shaken down. I know ultimately there is no escaping this new administration, but I envy seeing those that live in more conservative states for a variety of reasons.

my girl and I have talked about South Carolina. She likes it there and has always wanted to go. I am not too keen on the idea because I don’t know much about it there, I’ve been to Myrtle Beach once and I know it’s kind of prone to hurricanes.

I like Texas, but it’s flat and I hate how it seems that Californians are destined to ruin the state. Arizona seems cool, in certain areas. I love the idea of Colorado (although more blue, maybe not a good idea), Utah, or Wyoming. But again, I know nothing about the mountain region. The only part that sucks about that is I will usually like to visit the coast once a year, which wouldn’t be possible with a landlocked state.

has anyone thought the same? Where seems the most prosperous for a more free future? I am
Fairly young (30) and we don’t have plans for kids any time soon.
Definitely go, enjoy your youth living the way you want. The only thing I miss is Tex Berrys and blademeat. [wink]

There is no where that is "safe" or "free", only free-er for now. The people leaving liberal states are infesting red states at an accelerated rate and they are all under attack. When you get your location picked, get involved in EVERYTHING local, school budget meetings, town budget meetings, planning board meetings, EVERYTHING. It takes work to keep things the way it is when you get there.
 
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