Bones, if you wear that short skirt, don’t be surprised when something ends up in your heiny.Victim blaming is my favorite.
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Bones, if you wear that short skirt, don’t be surprised when something ends up in your heiny.Victim blaming is my favorite.
There is nothing illegal about keeping your property in another state. And MA has zero recourse if you do so. Saying you don’t know where they are may be a problem.
That's not how I read 308's original post, however if we're talking about guns brought into the State when he moved here, I stand corrected. And I still don't think it's a great idea to post that you have a bunch of unregistered guns in MA regardless of their provenance.
You can and should complain but who’s going to listen.You don't get to complain when cops violate several of your constitutional rights? Mmkay. You're just the type of gun owner the left wants.
you don’t get to complain
You can and should complain
And that they can find the stuff at your vacation home.If it's a 209A whatever free state is going to rubber stamp a warrant to steal your shit from your vacation home,
because that propagates via lautenberg. That assumes of course that "they know" .
Indeed.There's also a statute of limitations as well on "paper crimes" in MA, I believe it's 5 years but I have to double check, might be 6. So all those people whose dad that lives across town sold them a shotgun 10 years ago without papers shouldn't really be sweating bullets, unless they violated some other law (like federal ones, which I'm unsure if/any statute of limitations exist on). It's difficult to know how MA courts analyze this issue because I've literally never seen or heard of a case based off S128A/B. Probably has something to do with the fact that it's annoying for them to prove all the elements of the crime unless the accused serves that stuff up on a silver platter. Of course there's always the "who wants to be the test case" reasoning, although even
then I can't see them using that law.... when there's like 10 other things they can charge people with, often times just making shit up on the fly... this state has proven it is willing to do that on numerous occasions, when someone "offends the crown" etc..
Yes, inquiring minds want to know™.
If my reading of NES archives is statistically valid,
the "statute of limitations" wallhack to (e)FA-10 is a comparatively recent development.
Maybe all of our rock star gun lawyers would always have known to trot that out,
and awareness only gradually dawned on the amateur gun law cadre.
Or maybe one of our lawyers realized it in a flash some few years ago,
or at least only recently tried it on for size in a trial.
If you didn’t do anything wrong you should complain via an attorney. If you f***ed up by leaving Guns unattended in a vehicle and they get stolen. Then you deserve to be slapped.Umm...
I sympathize with how MGL can hide laws in plain sight.... there's a thing in MGL about statute of limitations on paper-type gun law violations... I just have to look it up again. It's less obvious because it's a derivative thing, one of those "everything under this section is subject to blah" or similar.
I sympathize with how MGL can hide laws in plain sight.
It'd be awesome if there is explicit language to that effect, no matter how obscure.
No rush, but don't neglect to come back and post it if and when you trip over it.
I sort of bumped without bumping, but it's in there... (like Prego)
Change the law or go home and put your guns away and then go to lunch
Change the law or go home and put your guns away and then go to lunch
Very impressed that my Civic Si has a locking remote trunk release,I drive a very very uncool sedan in my gun nut circles. ... once I disable the remote trunk release, the only way to get into the trunk is to crowbar it open.
My trunk meets the requirements for all transport in every state including federal FOPA requirements.
So, like owning a second property and leaving those guns alone for weeks or maybe months at a time?Another mistake this guy made was keeping all of his guns in his home, especially with all of this "red flag" hysteria going on nationwide. Keep a few inexpensive workhorse guns at home for regular home defense, hunting and other sporting purposes. Family heirlooms and other valuable firearms should be cached elsewhere; preferably out of state.
I get you. Personally, I don’t care what the law says. Even if it is legal to do so I think it’s a gamble to leave weapons in a car and I never do it. I mean I hear people on here constantly harping about not inviting the man into our lives. I personally see it as a quick way of doing so. Don’t need the headacheOr do what I do. I drive a very very uncool sedan in my gun nut circles. Part of the reason is I actually like to drive, rather than guide a land barge around.
The other reason is that once I disable the remote trunk release, the only way to get into the trunk is to crowbar it open.
My trunk meets the requirements for all transport in every state including federal FOPA requirements. I don't even own a locking gun case other than the one I fly with.
What if you leave guns unattended at home and they get stolen. Do you also deserve to be slapped?If you didn’t do anything wrong you should complain via an attorney. If you f***ed up by leaving Guns unattended in a vehicle and they get stolen. Then you deserve to be slapped.
Admits what? Don't think there's any law that states you have to register guns you bring in when you move here.
I get you. Personally, I don’t care what the law says. Even if it is legal to do so I think it’s a gamble to leave weapons in a car and I never do it. I mean I hear people on here constantly harping about not inviting the man into our lives. I personally see it as a quick way of doing so. Don’t need the headache
If by reporting a crime, you end up incriminating yourself, then you should be protected by the 5th amendment and not have to report that crime.
Vaultek, in every room and vehicle. They work great, takes me a tenth of a second to access it. They aren’t “cheap” but neither is my life and status as a law abiding citizen. Well worth it and doubly so when I have little kids in my future. If you wake up in the middle of the night with a gun to your head, whether your sidearm is under your pillow, one in the pipe, cocked and off safe, you still aren’t getting to it in time. Vaultek in the nightstand is plenty peace of mind while also protecting your ass from storage laws.
Not trying to argue or nitpick just saying there are simple solutions to being in “compliance”.
Maybe. I don’t agree with the law but until we change it, certain avoidable situations are a crapshoot. Why put yourself in a potentially shitty situation if you don’t have to.What if you leave guns unattended at home and they get stolen. Do you also deserve to be slapped?
So, what you are saying is people cannot own guns and leave them in a safe at home while they go to work because they are unattended.Maybe. I don’t agree with the law but until we change it, certain avoidable situations are a crapshoot. Why put yourself in a potentially shitty situation if you don’t have to.
If you didn’t do anything wrong you should complain via an attorney. If you f***ed up by leaving Guns unattended in a vehicle and they get stolen. Then you deserve to be slapped.
Why put yourself in a potentially shitty situation if you don’t have to.
No. Safe is where I put mine. I thought by unattended you meant out in the open where anyone has access.So, what you are saying is people cannot own guns and leave them in a safe at home while they go to work because they are unattended.
So, I guess your solution is to always carry all your guns or, people should have someone stay at home 24x7.
That’s why I said personally.That’s for individuals to decide not for someone else to dictate. That’s how freedom works. You seem to love statism.
If you didn’t do anything wrong you should complain via an attorney. If you f***ed up by leaving Guns unattended in a vehicle and they get stolen. Then you deserve to be slapped.
Having your guns stolen out of your car is a bogus paper crime? Cool is your word not mine.Lol and this makes you part of the problem- by thinking its "cool" for people to eat criminal liability for a bogus paper crime while simultaneously being a victim of theft.
-Mike
Having your guns stolen out of your car is a bogus paper crime?
Cool is your word not mine.
If you didn’t do anything wrong you should complain via an attorney. If you f***ed up by leaving Guns unattended in a vehicle and they get stolen. Then you deserve to be slapped.