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Comm2A to Support Lowell Gun Collector

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Comm2A, Aug 8, 2011.

  1. Rob Boudrie

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    There are *MANY* cases where individuals were sentenced to do serious time after turning down "no jail time but conviction" plea deals. The system does not like people wasting the court's time on trials, and will sometimes punish someone severely for attempting to beat the rap.
     
  2. mark056

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    This...plus it ups the conviction rate for the DA when someone takes a plea.
     
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  3. Rob Boudrie

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    Yup - which is why when it is clear that "justice" calls for no conviction, the system's response in any case other than "someone else did it and we are convicting them" is most often to offer a deal, not drop the charges.
     
  4. kingfisher

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    Donation sent.

    Don't be shy. Tell us how you really feel! [wink]
     
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  5. mark056

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    lotta truth in that statement Joe, lotta truth...
     
  6. john_h

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    Donated what I could..
     
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  7. Coyote33

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    Who makes up the CMR's, and how do we effect a change in them?
     
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    And the AG will have grabbed another based on BS [banghead]
     
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  10. Rob Boudrie

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    It's more complicated with gun owners, particularly if any offered deal includes something less than federal disability and the "dice roll" of trial places disability on the table.
     
  11. blindndead

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    Just wanted to say, Its thread's like this that keeps me green on NES year after year. You should all be proud of your support to Mr. Sokolowski. I don't know this man from a hole in the wall but I can feel his frustration. What a great family we have here! [rockon]
     
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  12. rwl1955

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    Small donation sent via paypal.
     
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  13. Honky

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    NRA and GOAL helping???

    In.
    So, are Goal and the NRA helping out with a little dough here? If ever, now's the time.
     
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  14. terraformer

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    No, neither is at the moment. We are on our own with litigation in this state which is fine by us.
     
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    Donation on the way. Good luck Stan.
     
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    I donated the other day. Any word on how much has been donated thus far?

    - Brad
     
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  17. kingfisher

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    Good job, Donators!

    And I haven't even gotten through half the list. I'll continue next week.
     
  18. terraformer

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    We got the email. An answer is forthcoming from Brent or Rob at some point in the near future.
     
  19. terraformer

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    I saw it earlier. Let me go get it.
     
  20. terraformer

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    527 CMR 13 is the CMR. That has pointers to the relevant statutes. The one he was charged with is M.G.L. c. 148, § 12. The MGL governs sale and storage but as far as I know they are only discussing storage.
     
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  21. terraformer

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    Read the CMR I mentioned. That defines the fireworks and explosives. You will note small arms components and complete cartridges are defined as explosives in the CMR. The UN also defines small ordnance as explosives which the state of MA takes as gospel (for you blue helmet haters out there...). The ATF defines ordnance components as explosive under certain circumstances.

    ETA: Here is a link http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/dfs/osfm/cmr/cmr_secured/527013.pdf
     
  22. terraformer

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    I need to be careful here, but I believe the city's assertion is he didn't have the license.
     
  23. neEEGuru

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    Well how does not having the fire license or having more primers then allowed (basically breaking a fire dept. regulation) translate into a charge for 'manufacturing explosives'. ?

    Shouldn't it be a charge of storing too many primers/flammables?

    I'm lost.
     
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  24. Kevlar

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    Per the master crime list, the official charge for a violation of MGL 148-12 is "EXPLOSIVE MFG/STORAGE/TRANSFER VIOL".
     
  25. terraformer

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    The answer is in the text of the statute.
    http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter148/Section12
     
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    [rolleyes]
     
  27. ARV

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    Wasn't this brought up before someplace else. They are separate groups, but they work together in a fashion. GOAL works primarily on legislation, and Comm2A works primarily on litigation. If they each did both, they might end up stepping on each others toes.
     
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    Hm, well I didn't know much about Comm2A's history. That was just what I remember from another Comm2A vs GOAL argument.
     
  29. terraformer

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    This is correct. Because of our charters, we don't "coordinate" or otherwise strategize (more accurately the §501(3)(c) of the 2 shouldn't coordinate with lobbying efforts so we don't) but we enjoy a positive relationship otherwise and I believe we both serve a vital role. It's pretty clear what the issues are that need fixing so strategizing is not really needed either. I should reiterate what I said above that we haven't asked any organization for money on this topic and so no organization has refused to support us.

    I appreciate folks personal opinions on any number of topics but can we keep this thread about the OP and discuss the other issues elsewhere.
     
  30. Coyote33

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    I wonder if the City of Lowell is open to the same storage laws as the rest of us. I wonder what their equipment room looks like. What means do the public have of viewing the inside of the TAXPAYER'S police station?




    What group is it that helps elect RKBA friendly legislators? I know GOAL used to do phone banks and such, but it seems they are short the cash to do this or something lately.
     
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