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That's odd, I just got my AR15 .22lr conversion kit from them, and that had a 10 round mag in it. Maybe it slipped through the cracks cuz it was part of a kit.

I had a blast with the thing today at the range!
 
I sent this letter out today. It will be interesting to see what response I get:

Mr. Wayne LaPierre
National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030


Attention NRA Staff: I realize that a high profile such as Mr. LaPierre probably does not read all of his email personally, however, I would request that you ask him to take a brief look at this letter himself.

Dear Mr. La Pierre:

Congratulations on your successful legal action regarding the gun confiscations in New Orleans.

I wish to bring your attention to another matter in which NRA legal action can benefit both NRA members and gun owners in general. Although the specific situation I am reporting is currently in Massachusetts, the practice, if allowed to stand, can have national repercussions. New approaches to “backdoor gun control” must be nipped in the bud before they can spread to other jurisdictions.

Massachusetts Attorney General Tom Reilly has declared that a mail order sale of ammunition or reloading components takes place in Massachusetts, even if the vendor is located out of state and shipping via common carrier. The AG uses this reasoning to assert that any firm processing such a mail order from a Massachusetts resident may be prosecuted for violating MA law – for an action that takes place completely out of state.

The Massachusetts AG’s assertion is inconsistent with both the uniform commercial code and the concept of FOB. This questionable position is being used to blackmail mail order firms into making MA a “no-sale” state for virtually all mail order ammo and reloading component suppliers

The Massachusetts AG runs regular sting operations in which an operative orders ammunition as his direction. Once the ammunition arrives, the AG contacts the vendor and offers a choice: Pay a $5000 settlement and agree to a ban all sales to Massachusetts residents, or prepare for trail in a Massachusetts court for “selling ammunition without a Massachusetts license to sell ammunition.”

Since Massachusetts is a relatively small state. it is not cost effective for any one vendor to retain counsel to try a Massachusetts case, as well as a possible federal case. As you can easily imagine, even in clear cut cases, there is a very real possibility that a Massachusetts court would first determine the “desired outcome” and then engage in legal gymnastics to fit the decision and accompanying legal reasoning to this outcome. Welcome to America, Ted Kennedy style.

This is definitely an area where NRA backed legal action can help. I anticipate that the NRA would need to bring this case on behalf of several Massachusetts residents who have been denied such sales in order to have standing to file an action. I am very confident that many Massachusetts based NRA members would be honored to participate as plaintiffs if the NRA brings an action bring a halt to attempt to extend laws in one anti-gun state to vendors throughout the nation.

While the ability of gun owners in one small state to mail order ammunition may not seem like a big deal, the principle is. If one state is permitted to interfere with lawful interstate commerce in this manner by extending their laws across state lines, it can only be a matter of time before others follow.

I request that the NRA take up this cause, and initiate legal action to correct this situation. I would very much like to hear your thoughts of the merits of such an undertaking.

Thank you for your consideration of this matter.


Yours in freedom

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While an unsuccessful challenge of some sort was brought about 7 years ago by, IIRC, a coalition of dealers, the matter may not be hopeless.

If brought as a class action suit on behalf of numerous individual reloaders, the issue could well be revived and in Federal court.

With Reilly busy with his re-election, it would be a good time to file such a suit.
 
Scrivener said:
While an unsuccessful challenge of some sort was brought about 7 years ago by, IIRC, a coalition of dealers, the matter may not be hopeless.

If brought as a class action suit on behalf of numerous individual reloaders, the issue could well be revived and in Federal court.

With Reilly busy with his re-election, it would be a good time to file such a suit.

Do you believe that any such suit must be limited to components ("individual reloaders") or would a suit seeking shipment of loaded ammunition have a fighting chance? If it's the latter, sign me up!
 
Scrivener said:
While an unsuccessful challenge of some sort was brought about 7 years ago by, IIRC, a coalition of dealers, the matter may not be hopeless.

If brought as a class action suit on behalf of numerous individual reloaders, the issue could well be revived and in Federal court.

With Reilly busy with his re-election, it would be a good time to file such a suit.
There is plenty of material for a case - the issue is funding. Taking this one may be financially out of GOAL's league.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
There is plenty of material for a case - the issue is funding. Taking this one may be financially out of GOAL's league.

I sort of vaguely recall that about a decade or so ago, a NJ group tried some lawsuit, spent a couple of hundred thousand dollars in legal fees, and had to drop the suit when they were unable to raise any more funds to go forward.

You need realistic answers to three questions:

How much is this suit gonna cost?

How are we gonna raise that much?

Do we actually have a reasonable chance of winning?

Regards
John
 
The NRA would have a reasonable chance of winning such a suit, since they have the financial resources to see it through to conclusion, and have legal staff which would know how to bring an effective case in the federal system. The chances of winning in a MA court are slim at best.
 
Pilgrim said:
Someone in another thread was saying that they get a lot of good stuff at CTD and had given up on Sportmans' Guide.

I just went to CTD's web site to look at some .45 mags.

They won't ship ANY mags to Mass!

So to He!! with them..........


http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/restrict.asp

True Pilgrim, they won't ship mags here, but when you think about it how many big name mail order companies do? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
(and please folks if you do know any... don't post their names here)
Truth is when it comes to items like magazines and ammunition, I seek out the smaller companies who either don't know or don't care about what restrictions we have here. But items like accessories that I know are perfectly legal to ship here to Mass can often be found from just about any big name company whereas Sportsmans Guide won't ship anything, not even wooden rifle stocks for Enfields or cleaning rods for K98s. That fact alone is why I demonstrated such disgust for SG.
 
Miserai said:
it says they just wont ship any mags over 10 rds to MA.

You know, you're right. I missed that !

So.. I'll change my original total condemnation of them to a less firm, to HECK with them for caving in for other stuff they offer to the rest of the world but not for ue.

At least this posting got a real good letter off to the NRA. Let's hope it helps.

You'd think we'd have a good chance of beating the AG's rules because using his rules, he is stopping legal commerce of these types of products by saying that the tranastion takes place in Ma. But that would mean that ALL internet sales SHOULD be treated that way in Ma. If I'm not mistaken, the FEDS decided years ago that that internet sales cannot be defined that way.

Seems like a good case.
 
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I recently tried to buy items from the sportsman's guide that are legal to own in MA but vendors won't ship to MA. I contacted my credit card company and added an alternate shipping address in NH to keep things smooth, but the guide still would not ship said items because my billing address was in MA. I've got to move out of this damn state.
 
I recieved reloading supplies from the Company in the Midwest, Not wanting to mention their name, but reloaders know who they are,with a CT address. I did it all on the Internet
 
There are a few companies out there that recognize that if the mag was made prior to 1994 and the purchasor has an LTC Class A then it is PERFECTLY LEGAL to ship to mass.

I have bought MP5, UZI and AK47/74 magazines within the past few months from these vendors.

If anyone wants these websites- IM me.
 
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