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Challenge to Maryland AWB Submitted to SCOTUS

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HALF OF U.S. ATTORNEYS GENERAL WANT SCOTUS TO HEAR 2A CASE

BY DAVE WORKMAN

Late last month, something remarkable—perhaps even historic—happened, but it was really only reported in any detail by the firearms media.

Twenty-five state attorneys general—that’s half of all top state legal officials in the country—signed what is called an Amicus Curiae (“Friend of the Court”) brief urging the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) to accept a Writ of Certiorari in the case of Bianchi, et. al. v. Frosh, et.al., a challenge to Maryland’s ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

SCOTUS may not announce right away whether it will take the Maryland case. It still has to produce a decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, the case on carry outside the home.

Plaintiffs in the case against Maryland are the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and its sister organization, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, plus the California-based Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc., Field Traders LLC, David Snope, Micah Schaefer and Dominic Bianchi, the latter for whom the lawsuit is named. Defendant Brian E. Frosh is the Maryland Attorney General. Other defendants are Col. Woodrow W. Jones, III, secretary of the State Police; R. Jay Fisher, sheriff of Baltimore County, and Anne Arundel County Sheriff Jim Fredericks, all in their official capacities.

“Although Heller held that the right to keep and bear arms extends to firearms that are ‘in common use’ for ‘lawful purposes,’ the Fourth Circuit held that ‘weapons most useful in military service’ are ‘outside the ambit of the Second Amendment’ without regard to whether these same weapons are also in common use for lawful purposes,” the brief says.

“Leaving Maryland’s ban in place,” the brief warns, “emboldens other States to enact similar bans, reducing the number of modern sporting rifles and similar firearms owned by the public—and thereby tilting the scales of Heller analysis. Developments will come less in the form of reasoned and independent judicial analysis, and more in the form of hasty enactments informed by a desire to strike while the iron is hot.”

“On its face, the Fourth Circuit’s novel standard leads to absurd and confusing results. For instance, the Model 1911 .45 caliber pistol may be considered a weapon ‘most useful in military service’ given the military used it as its standard sidearm for nearly 75 years. Yet it is also one of the most popular civilian handguns today… While John M. Browning designed the 1911 pistol specifically for the military, it ‘was based on the Models 1900, 1903, and 1905s, which were all commercial guns’ and the 1911 was simultaneously ‘prevalent in both the military and civilian market’ after its military adoption.”

“The Fourth Circuit’s upside-down analysis would first examine the Model 1911’s military utility and declare it eligible for a ban before acknowledging that the weapon is in widespread common, lawful use by the civilian population. Yet such focus on military use would either ignore the scores of other handguns that may be more powerful or accurate than the 1911 or—worse, and as the holding below essentially does for rifles—lead the Court to declare that almost all semiautomatic pistols that even look like or share features of the 1911 are subject to ban. This broad ban would fly in the face of Heller, which recognized “that the American people have considered the handgun to be the quintessential self-defense weapon [and] …. the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home.” Such guns are thus in common use and critical to the exercise of their core Second Amendment right to self-defense.”

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“Although Heller held that the right to keep and bear arms extends to firearms that are ‘in common use’ for ‘lawful purposes,’ the Fourth Circuit held that ‘weapons most useful in military service’ are ‘outside the ambit of the Second Amendment’ without regard to whether these same weapons are also in common use for lawful purposes,” the brief says.
Which directly contradicts SCOTUS in US vs. Miller when they upheld the tax on short barreled shotguns and rifles, primarily on the basis that no evidence had been introduced (Miller did not show, nor did any attorney appear on his behalf-it was a strictly one sided "argument") that short barreled shotguns were useful for military service. The government simply neglected to mention (lied by omission) that exactly such weapons were issued to soldiers as "trench guns" in WWI.

This might be the case that reviews that contradiction.
 
This was submitted for cert a month or two ago. The interesting thing is SCOTUS has held it and asked the MD AG to reply to the petition. It’s hard to read into things but it definitely shows SCOTUS is looking at it closer than previous cases.

It’s only a matter of time before this SCOTUS takes up an AWB case and/or mag limit case.
 
No direct impact on Mass unless/until SCOTUS hears the case. If we win at SCOTUS, it would likely have to be re-litigated in our circuit, cause Mass does not willingly follow scotus on any 2A cases
If scotus declines the case it means that AWB's are here to stay. With the death of Ruthie the court has never been in a better place to shoot down a AWB and I doubt it ever will be again.
 
With SCOTUS taking up voting rights cases, abortion cases, etc, no one can accuse them of avoiding conflict!! I think they will take this case
 
AWB has been an old gun control vehicle that is slowly crumbling. Gun controllers see the future and are planning for new ways to circumvent the constitution. Three seem to be with the little president and will take decades to overturn:

1) Red Flag laws where local chiefs can issue red flag notice to remove guns. Next time there is a mass shooting, a town chief of police can issue a blank "imminent danger to self and others" order for all gun owners in town.
2) Litigating manufacturers out of existence. If none make weapons, nobody can buy weapons.
3) Tax every gun with an annual "excise tax", like cars.

I am hoping GOA, FPC, or NRA-ILA will be able to develop quickly strategies against these insidious laws.
 
AWB has been an old gun control vehicle that is slowly crumbling. Gun controllers see the future and are planning for new ways to circumvent the constitution. Three seem to be with the little president and will take decades to overturn:

1) Red Flag laws where local chiefs can issue red flag notice to remove guns. Next time there is a mass shooting, a town chief of police can issue a blank "imminent danger to self and others" order for all gun owners in town.
2) Litigating manufacturers out of existence. If none make weapons, nobody can buy weapons.
3) Tax every gun with an annual "excise tax", like cars.

I am hoping GOA, FPC, or NRA-ILA will be able to develop quickly strategies against these insidious laws.
1) Do you want the chief's house burned down? Becasue that's how your house gets burned down.
2) Meh, you can't stop the signal. Printer goes brrrrrrr.
3) Can't tax a "right". Nevah ben dun befoa.
 
You can lay that one right at the feet of Roberts.

It take 4 judges to accept a case. You can spout BS in public but court filing must be true and accurate. The trump campaign lawyers never made claims anywhere close to what trump did when they filed with courts.

The changes of election procedures by secretary’s of state in various states was illegal but 95% of what trump claimed had no evidence.
 
It take 4 judges to accept a case. You can spout BS in public but court filing must be true and accurate. The trump campaign lawyers never made claims anywhere close to what trump did when they filed with courts.

The changes of election procedures by secretary’s of state in various states was illegal but 95% of what trump claimed had no evidence.
I believe regional cases are assigned to single justices. That one justice can decide if it even get puts to a vote. I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
 
It take 4 judges to accept a case. You can spout BS in public but court filing must be true and accurate. The trump campaign lawyers never made claims anywhere close to what trump did when they filed with courts.

The changes of election procedures by secretary’s of state in various states was illegal but 95% of what trump claimed had no evidence.
And BTW, there is no such thing as a little bit illegal or kinda sorta illegal. It's either legal or it isn't. Rules ere changed and altered in the middle of an election, it happened. Roberts was right in the middle of it.
 
And BTW, there is no such thing as a little bit illegal or kinda sorta illegal. It's either legal or it isn't. Rules ere changed and altered in the middle of an election, it happened. Roberts was right in the middle of it.

Roberts isn’t a very good justice. Roberts isn’t the boogeyman of the election, trump lost. The sooner people accept trump was a moron and blew the election to a corpse, the better. It was trump who shut the economy down, gave fauci a huge role and said stupid things which turned off swing voters.
 
Roberts isn’t a very good justice. Roberts isn’t the boogeyman of the election, trump lost. The sooner people accept trump was a moron and blew the election to a corpse, the better. It was trump who shut the economy down, gave fauci a huge role and said stupid things which turned off swing voters.

How is living in Neverland treating you?
 
2) Meh, you can't stop the signal. Printer goes brrrrrrr.
3) Can't tax a "right". Nevah ben dun befoa.
2) Actually you can. New Jersey made it illegal to 3d sprint guns.
3) Again, you're wrong. there is already a tax on ammo purchases, gun purchases. Mass LTC scheme is also a tax. Currently, it's $100 every 5 years. What would prevent politicians to make it $500 annually!? This is where it's heading.

Fact is, if you choose to stick your head in the sand, you will lose your right to raise your head again! We must continue to push against the onslaught of anti-Constitutional authoritarian culture that needs the people disarmed in order to rule over them.
 
No direct impact on Mass unless/until SCOTUS hears the case. If we win at SCOTUS, it would likely have to be re-litigated in our circuit, cause Mass does not willingly follow scotus on any 2A cases
Yep, I believe that happened in Caetano and it'll probably happen with NYSRPA (and btw for any lawyers reading this I would love love LOVE to sign onto that when it happens)
 
It take 4 judges to accept a case. You can spout BS in public but court filing must be true and accurate. The trump campaign lawyers never made claims anywhere close to what trump did when they filed with courts.

The changes of election procedures by secretary’s of state in various states was illegal but 95% of what trump claimed had no evidence.
Which we are now finding out was mostly all true.
That turncoat Barr claimed no evidence of fraud because he never investigated it.
Now we have states doing it on their own and turning up a boatload .
 
I've never understood Heller's common use standard. Where did it come from? 2A says nothing about it. How does something become in common use if the states can ban it from being sold in the first instance? Seems circular to me.

It was the only way for SCOTUS to twist the decision to not destroy CGA '34 or '68. Because without that differentiation, all fed gun laws become null and basically every AWB.

Scotus is not going to strike down AWBs. They will kick the can forever.
 
2) Actually you can. New Jersey made it illegal to 3d sprint guns.
3) Again, you're wrong. there is already a tax on ammo purchases, gun purchases. Mass LTC scheme is also a tax. Currently, it's $100 every 5 years. What would prevent politicians to make it $500 annually!? This is where it's heading.

Fact is, if you choose to stick your head in the sand, you will lose your right to raise your head again! We must continue to push against the onslaught of anti-Constitutional authoritarian culture that needs the people disarmed in order to rule over them.
I notice you refrained from commenting on 1, which is the default for excessive abuses on 2 and 3 as you suggest. And the REASON for the 2a. Hence why 2 and 3 will never get excessive.

Currently we are on jury box, of the 4 boxes, which I have directly contributed to. That's sticking my neck out, not in the sand. You?
 
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