I know I've seen different posts over the years but it didn't really apply to me then so I didn't pay too much attention. Bringing my Dad to Boston for a medical appointment (I think at Bringham). What, if any, concerns should I have about carrying? And yes, I fully understand "concealed means concealed". I just don't want to be 2 blocks from my car and then get jammed up by an unexpected metal detector or something.
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CCW in Boston
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Palladin
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this. only Fed/State buildings have detectors. Or Gillette stadium/ TD Garden concert / Red Sox, etc.
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Hospitals have "no gun" policies. Some hospitals (and I believe Brigham is one of these) extends this bans to off duty cops (as if off duty cops would pay any attention to such a prohibition).
Although there is no penalty for violating the hospital gun bans, you will be ordered to leave (and welcome to return once you have rendered yourself helpless) if the gun is spotted. I know the Brigham trains their staff that some people may be legally carrying with a permit, but that security should still be called to escort these people out of the hospital.
Funny thing - the reaction to the cop-light (housing cop) saving the MDs life by shooting her assailant has been to double down on the no-guns policy.
Although there is no penalty for violating the hospital gun bans, you will be ordered to leave (and welcome to return once you have rendered yourself helpless) if the gun is spotted. I know the Brigham trains their staff that some people may be legally carrying with a permit, but that security should still be called to escort these people out of the hospital.
Funny thing - the reaction to the cop-light (housing cop) saving the MDs life by shooting her assailant has been to double down on the no-guns policy.
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there is no binding signage as hospitals are not gov buildings. No different than the no fir arms signs that i walk right by at the movie theater. If you are noticed carrying and are asked to leave....and you do.....you have broken no law. I got into this discussion with a friends anti gun cousin once that told me carrying a gun on any posted property was a felony! Wtf. I started my rebuttle by asking if she agreed i was legally Allowed to carry a gun with my ltc. She agreed i was. I asked her if she was legally allowed to carry pop corn in her purse. She looked at me funny And said yes. Then i asked her if carrying pop corn past the no food or drink sign at the movie theater was a felony? She said no and saw where i was going and said quicky its different because pop orn is not a gun. Truly not a legal mind with this idiot so i just stopped there. Sometimes its just a total waste of time arguing with idiots.
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MachineHead
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Try open carrying in Las Vegas because you don't have a CCP. I've done it and zero F's are given. Eventually I'll get my RI-non res and then I can CC in NV.
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Tell that to the lawful guy who was shot by the LVPD while lawfully carrying at a Costco. No White Lives Matter movement though.
That guy at MGH who killed the guy stabbing the psychiatrist eventually became a ma state trooper google the name. MGH has had its share of violence and their police are still unarmed.
Psychopath stabs and attempts to murder doctor. Good samaritan with gun shoots psychopath. Hospital chooses to further ban guns (but not knives). Good samaritan is demonized in the media and dragged through the mud by Marsha, and only cleared (many months later) because he was a Boston SPO.
I love Massachusetts.
![[rolleyes]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/042.gif "Roll Eyes [rolleyes]")
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I wouldn't even say his SPO status had anything to do with it, I think it was because it was incontrovertible defense of another and the DA did not like the political ramifications of exposing someone who was obviously innocent of any wrongdoing to a trial. It would have been a nifong-level embarassement for the DA.
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Even the VA police are armed now. What's taking MGH so long to catch up?
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The hospital that is doubling down is not MGH (although it may be as well).Psychopath stabs and attempts to murder doctor. Good samaritan with gun shoots psychopath. Hospital chooses to further ban guns (but not knives). Good samaritan is demonized in the media and dragged through the mud by Marsha, and only cleared (many months later) because he was a Boston SPO.
I love Massachusetts.
The fact that the MGH shooter was an SPO made no real difference to the legal outcome (SPOs have *VERY* limited police authority and, unlike regular POs, do not have full police powers when off duty outside their jurisdiction). What it did do is let the media spin it as a "police involved shooting" rather than "licensed civilian shooting".
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AFAIK, none of the hospital police, whether contracted or hospital employees carry. At least in Boston. The only one that ever did was Tufts, and that was supervisors only.
Whether or not VA police carry is up to the person in charge of the Veterans Administration. During Reagan's & Bush 41, they did. During Clinton, they didn't. During Bush 43 they did. I don't know about Obama as I didn't very many transports there in the years I worked before I retired in 2012.
Brigham and Woman's has a BPD detail in the emergency department and had before the shooting. Even Boston Medical Center doesn't do that. Occasionally, BUPD officers will float around outside the ED, but generally not.
I don't expect that to change any time soon.
Whether or not VA police carry is up to the person in charge of the Veterans Administration. During Reagan's & Bush 41, they did. During Clinton, they didn't. During Bush 43 they did. I don't know about Obama as I didn't very many transports there in the years I worked before I retired in 2012.
Brigham and Woman's has a BPD detail in the emergency department and had before the shooting. Even Boston Medical Center doesn't do that. Occasionally, BUPD officers will float around outside the ED, but generally not.
I don't expect that to change any time soon.
MachineHead
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http://m.reviewjournal.com/news/cri...family-drops-lawsuit-against-las-vegas-police
Two things: 1) store says "no guns allowed, get out." 2) lawful guy pulls gun out of holster and turns around when cops say "drop it" or "get down".
I think many of us would comply to avoid any bs. I know I would. This went bad very fast and this legal gun owner should have used better judgment. I can't see how the cops couldn't see anyone as a threat when a gun is getting pulled out in a possibly secretive fashion.
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And CCW is a noun. Not a verb.
MGH Police are armed. They also have plain clothed security who I assume are armed.
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Do MGH police have "sworn police officer status" like college and RR police, or are they just a security force?
MGH security is not armed.https://tinkerready.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/guns-in-hospitals-mgh-goes-with-pepper-spray/
Like most liberal bullshit its all about the feelz and intentions rather than the capabilities and results.
Like most liberal bullshit its all about the feelz and intentions rather than the capabilities and results.
MGH police are armed. Go to MGH and walk around. You will see at least three types of security. One are uniformed "ambassadors" who mostly direct traffic and help patients into cars. They are unarmed.
Then you will see plainclothes types in suits with earpieces. I suspect they are armed, but I'm not sure.
Finally, you will see MGH police. The MGH police have cruisers with light bars. They are uniformed like police, wear police duty belts, and on those belts are handguns.
I was just at MGH on Monday.
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I've got no idea.
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I had an appointment with my dermatologist at BW that my wife went with me. While sitting on the exam table my wife commented on what nice posture i had. I laughed and told her I was carrying and was being careful not to print. ![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
If CCW is said as "carrying a concealed weapon" then carry is a verb, weapon a noun, and concealed an adjective.
If said as "concealed carry weapon" then concealed and carry are adjectives and weapon is a noun.
So CCW could be used as a verb or a noun.
Verb: I am CCWing
Noun: My CCW is a Ruger
