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Carrying on the SSA

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My job allows me to carry, so I do. Every day. I am a devout follower of “concealed is concealed”. I don’t care what a companies policy may be, if there is no metal detector, or no pat-down, the sidearm stays.

So I’m working on Marthas Vineyard and saw their policy covering firearms on SSA vessels on the ticket booth and it read as follows:

“A person licensed to carry firearms in accordance with Mass. G.L. c. 140, § 129B, or Mass. G.L. c. 140, § 131, shall be allowed to carry them on Steamship Authority property and on board a Steamship Authority vessel in accordance with the provisions and restrictions of his or her license, subject to the following additional restrictions:

2.1.1 Persons carrying firearms must identify themselves.

(a) Immediately upon entering onto Steamship Authority property, the person must identify himself or herself to the Terminal Manager (or in the Terminal Manager’s absence, the Terminal Agent, Assistant Agent or other Authority employee acting in that capacity) and present his or her valid License to Carry Firearms or Firearms Identification Card.

(b) Prior to boarding a Steamship Authority vessel, the person must identify himself or herself to the Vessel Captain and Vessel Security Officer (VSO) and present his or her valid License to Carry Firearms or Firearms Identification Card.”


What I didn’t realize, is there is a second section to this regulation, which shame on me, I should have researched. It reads:


“2.1.2 Firearms must be unloaded and secured.

(a) If a person is licensed to carry a concealed firearm, he or she may do so; provided, however, that the weapon must remain concealed and unloaded at all times under the direct control of such person and any ammunition is secured separately.

(b) All other persons carrying firearms must keep them unloaded and in a secure closed case at all times with any ammunition secured separately. If the person is traveling with a vehicle, the case containing the firearm shall be kept in the vehicle, which must be locked or attended at all times. If the person is traveling without a vehicle, the person shall notify the Terminal Manager, Vessel Captain and VSO, and make appropriate arrangements with the VSO to secure the firearm while the vessel is underway. Rifles and shotguns shall not be carried among passengers.”



Out of curiosity, but unaware of the wording of the second section, I followed the requirements stated on the sign. When arriving at the terminal, I located the terminal manager and handed her my LTC. She asked where the gun was (implying vehicle) and I told her “my hip”. She looked a little confused, but then realized I meant that it was on my person. My boat reservation wasn’t for a couple hours, so she asked me to return to my truck and we’d handle it when I was boarding. I didn’t need to locate the Captain as the Terminal Manager notified the Vessel Safety Officer (VSO) that I had a firearm.

This is where it gets weird, (although less weird after reading the second section of the regulation) the VSO tells me the firearm needs to be secured for the duration of the trip. He asks me to follow him to the room that it will be secured in. We go to the front corner of the vehicle deck and he opens a locked storeroom. He points to a wheelchair in the storeroom and says “you can put it there”. I said “just on the seat of the wheelchair? You’re asking me to leave a loaded firearm there? There is a round in the chamber, do you have an appropriate spot to unload and clear it?” I said, “ I’m not trying to be difficult, but this flies in the face of proper chain of custody and safe handling. The sign said I could carry it, but I needed to notify”. The VSO said, “let me ask the captain”. He was gone for a minute, and when he returned, He said “the captain said the firearm needs to remain in your vehicle”. I replied, “no problem, I was intending on staying in my vehicle”.

This is the “secure lockup” btw:
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So, In the future I will be adhering to my SOP in the first paragraph.
 
Is any of that actually necessary (in MA) or is it just their prerogative to post what they want and yours to do what you want? Does the fact that it’s a boat supersede the state’s non-binding signage? Why not just ignore the rule/claim ignorance since there are no definable penalties? Not trolling, just curious as someone who takes the ferry regularly and hasn’t read that notice (and won’t be reading it in the future).
 
“So, In the future I will be adhering to my SOP in the first paragraph.”

No shit

Yes Massachusetts, an exercise in futility when trying to comply with policy.

But I’m sure you had a mask on right?
No mask. I haven’t missed a day of work thru the entire plandemic. The only mask I’ve worn when required to is a Jason Voorhees mask.
 
Yeah, I tried playing by their rules years ago. Leave my gun in a locked closet for the trip over (walk-on).
Twenty+ trips since with no worries😉
 
Is any of that actually necessary (in MA) or is it just their prerogative to post what they want and yours to do what you want? Does the fact that it’s a boat supersede the state’s non-binding signage? Why not just ignore the rule/claim ignorance since there are no definable penalties? Not trolling, just curious as someone who takes the ferry regularly and hasn’t read that notice (and won’t be reading it in the future).
I understand it to be a combination of Mass law and Coast Guard regulations. Maybe… I followed their rules this one time. It doesn’t say I need to do it each time I enter the property. That’s the story I’m sticking with.

I normally ignore the rule. I’m on the ferry all the time. Just did it for curiosity’s sake.
 
Same experience I had twice when I traveled there. Even more absurd, the second time I notified the first "official" I encountered at entrance of ship that I needed to declare a firearm. Told him it was loaded on my hip. He instructed me to "hand it to him" -- loaded right there in the F'EN parking lot. Told him that wasn't going to happen. He called someone else over and I was escorted to same room and told to place there -- loaded. Bizzaro world.
 
... saw their policy covering firearms on SSA vessels on the ticket booth and it read as follows:
...
What I didn’t realize, is there is a second section to this regulation, which shame on me, I should have researched. It reads:
Did you even read an NES thread on the topic?

Granted leaving it in the wheelchair closet is stupid on the SSA.
That "wheelchair closet" has a fire extinguisher system placard.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it was a compartment required
to allow unfettered crew access in case of emergency.
Do any active-duty Coastguardsmen want to stage a snap inspection?

Is any of that actually necessary (in MA) or is it just their prerogative to post what they want and yours to do what you want? Does the fact that it’s a boat supersede the state’s non-binding signage? Why not just ignore the rule/claim ignorance since there are no definable penalties? ...
Because Steamship Authority management could decide on a whim
that OP has been transgressive and he gets trespassed.

At which point he can only get on/off the Vineyard by airplane.

... I wanted to see first hand how they managed the policy invite The Man into my life.
FTFY.

I understand it to be a combination of Mass law and Coast Guard regulations. Maybe… I followed their rules this one time. It doesn’t say I need to do it each time I enter the property. That’s the story I’m sticking with.

I normally ignore the rule. I’m on the ferry all the time. Just did it for curiosity’s sake.
The crew normally ignored you all the time.
And then you outed yourself.

From now on you get to wonder whether this will be the trip
when out of the blue they demand to know if you're carrying.
Maybe past the point where you're by definition violating the rules
that they know they already explained to you.
 
Did you even read an NES thread on the topic?


That "wheelchair closet" has a fire extinguisher system placard.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it was a compartment required
to allow unfettered crew access in case of emergency.
Do any active-duty Coastguardsmen want to stage a snap inspection?


Because Steamship Authority management could decide on a whim
that OP has been transgressive and he gets trespassed.

At which point he can only get on/off the Vineyard by airplane.


FTFY.


The crew normally ignored you all the time.
And then you outed yourself.

From now on you get to wonder whether this will be the trip
when out of the blue they demand to know if you're carrying.
Maybe past the point where you're by definition violating the rules
that they know they already explained to you.
Wow. That tinfoil hat is a couple sizes too small. Nobody took my LTC or had any more than a passing interest in the interaction. Nothing was “explained” to me. I look just like a thousand other contractors that ride that ferry. Besides, the majority of the time, I’m back and forth on a privately owned vessel. Hardly a familiar face at the SSA.
 
Wow. That tinfoil hat is a couple sizes too small. Nobody took my LTC or had any more than a passing interest in the interaction. Nothing was “explained” to me. I look just like a thousand other contractors that ride that ferry. Besides, the majority of the time, I’m back and forth on a privately owned vessel. Hardly a familiar face at the SSA.
Do you maybe have some non-NES alias like say "Tater Salad"
by which we might recognize your case from the newswire story
after it goes differently some trip in the future?
 
Do you maybe have some non-NES alias like say "Tater Salad"
by which we might recognize your case from the newswire story
after it goes differently some trip in the future?
I can’t imagine what kind of raging dickhead you’d need to be to get to that level of escalation. I’ve managed to navigate this nanny state for 50 years without your sage advice. Your paranoia is not mine.
 
I can’t imagine what kind of raging dickhead you’d need to be to get to that level of escalation.
So you see my point.

On any given day in Mass, you one could cross paths with someone like,
say, the Medford Lens Licker.

ETA: Make moar nonpersonaler, as intended.
 
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So you see my point.

On any given day in Mass, you could cross paths with someone like,
say, the Medford Lens Licker.
I think we agree on the loony minefield that Mass is. Part of that is being able to spot those “lens lickers” from 100 yards and steering clear or placating their ego long enough to slip away quietly. Any civilian that carries concealed with a chip on their shoulder in MA does so at the peril of their LTC.
 
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