carrying at work?

Big boy rules and anything I have seen for company paperwork does not remotly mention this. However, I have taken half of my coworkers to the range and the close ones know why (my boss isn't stupid but doesn't ask) I always drift to the security guys during sensetive situations.
 
FFDO = Federal Flight Deck Officer. Also known as the Armed Pilots Program. its the program begun post 9/11 that allows participating pilots to carry a .40 cal Sig into the cockpit with them.

GA (General Aviation) is an entirely different story. Alaska actually mandates you have a firearm on board as part of your legally required survival gear.

Back before I had kids (only 3 years ago) I used to fly about 150 hours per year, just for fun. I've flown to a number of shooting matches. Lots of fun.
Whenever I got to fly and shoot, I'd tell my wife I was two thirds of the way to a perfect day. ; -)
 
Hey dc, I am a corporate pilot and that program only allowed airline pilots to carry.
 
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Dead > fired on the sucky scale.

It shouldn't even be a question. Carry. Carry all the time. Carry everyday. Being alive beats the **** out of being dead. You can always get another job to support your kids, but your kids can't get another dad if you're killed. Keep that in mind.

If you're sitting down all day, worried about getting 'made', awkward holsters, comfort, etc are a concern, carry a pocket pistol or an ankle gun. You'll forget they are there.
 
My company has a no weapons policy, but it's not even remotely enforced. As an example, the facilities/maintenance manager bought a Seecamp at a show at the Big E a year or so ago and brought it in to show me. She had it field stripped on my desk when the HR manager and the company president walked by. The HR manager was curious about it and the president just said she should carry something bigger than a .32.

This is pretty much the boat that I'm in. My company has it in the handbook for looks alone. I got my LTC-A while I was employed here, and the CIO took the class with me (he's from the socialist city of Salem, MA, so he was unable to get his unrestricted [sad]). More recently, my CTO took his class and received his LTC-A. Almost no one I work with knows that there are some who carry (I'm sure some people suspect it, because our enthusiasm for firearms isn't exactly a big secret, but no one openly talks about it). However, anybody who can actually do anything about it does know, and they see it in a positive light. I'm very fortunate for this.

As an aside, it's funny that we have one of these threads today. I saw this blog post in some newsletter that I'm subscribed to at work (not sure how or why I'm subscribed): http://www.bnet.com/blog/salesmachine/a-coworker-pulls-out-a-gun-now-what/13898?promo=665&tag=nl.e665
It's the kind of feel-good "you can do it!" moonbattery that makes you want to carry a gun at work. [laugh] I tried posting something:

Me said:
I have to agree with the notion that possessing a gun of your own and having the training to safely and effectively use it is a much better option than having to "Duck and cover", "Hide", "RUN!", or "Play dead". I understand that some offices prohibit weapons, but in most of these cases, there is no law actually preventing it (the exceptions being federal buildings and schools). Furthermore, the act of carrying a gun to work (or anywhere, for that matter) does not constitute a nut case. I won't fault a person for not wanting to carry a gun, so why should you criticize a person who would? Millions of Americans carry a gun each and every day without causing harm to themselves or others, myself included.

And this is what I got from the blogger:

Douchebag said:
Sorry, but if you feel the need to be armed at the office because you think you might need to use your gun, you are either crazy or very, very stupid. Consider, of the 800 murders in the workplace every year, probably 600 of them are law enforcement deaths.

So let's say there are 100 million people at work every day. That means you've got a 0.0002% chance of being murdered at work every year. That's statistically insignificant. So only a stupid person (meaning somebody who can't understand basic math) would bother to carry a gun to the office for protection.

That leaves the crazy factor. If you can't feel like a man without carrying a gun or can't feel safe in a place where it's unbelievably unlikely that you'll be shot, you've got a big problem. The fact that you need to carry a gun under those circumstances puts you in the crazy category, at least in my book.

Go figure. [laugh]
 
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most places I know have policies banning guns at work -


no they don't. . .most places don't have a policy, that is until some dumbass asks someone what the policy is. My company handbook says "no illegal weapons". My weapons aren't illegal, so to me, it's not a problem. If for some reason someone at work finds out, it's because I had to use my gun and my employment status is a much smaller problem than having to shoot someone


I carry everyday but Mondays. . . .I'm a salesman and Monday is my airport day. I spend 5 hours in the sterile area of the airport. Oh, and Wednesdays, I don't carry until after my first appointment, a school .5 miles from my home. I drop my kids off at school, go see this customer and then head back home for my second cup of coffee and my gun.


Funny story. . . .(well not really) A couple weeks ago I had to make an unscheduled delivery to the airport and forgot about my "trunk gun", I had to swing by another account and ask if I could store something (the guy is a shooter and we're going goose hunting this Friday together)
 
no they don't. . .most places don't have a policy, that is until some dumbass asks someone what the policy is. My company handbook says "no illegal weapons". My weapons aren't illegal, so to me, it's not a problem. If for some reason someone at work finds out, it's because I had to use my gun and my employment status is a much smaller problem than having to shoot someone


I carry everyday but Mondays. . . .I'm a salesman and Monday is my airport day. I spend 5 hours in the sterile area of the airport. Oh, and Wednesdays, I don't carry until after my first appointment, a school .5 miles from my home. I drop my kids off at school, go see this customer and then head back home for my second cup of coffee and my gun.


Funny story. . . .(well not really) A couple weeks ago I had to make an unscheduled delivery to the airport and forgot about my "trunk gun", I had to swing by another account and ask if I could store something (the guy is a shooter and we're going goose hunting this Friday together)

If I remember correctly, you can still carry at most airports, you just need to store it in your car if youre going through security.
 
I don't know about throwing my job away by defying my company's rules about no firearms, I won't. It's riskier to me losing my job in a crappy economy and not being able to support my family. I carry when I can, but not at work.
 
FFDO = Federal Flight Deck Officer. Also known as the Armed Pilots Program. its the program begun post 9/11 that allows participating pilots to carry a .40 cal Sig into the cockpit with them.

IIRC the FFDO gun is the USP Compact .40 LEM.

-Mike
 
no one has to know whats in your pants at work.

just dont play with it, and dont tell people.

i left my rifle in my car before, because i went hunting before work.
 
Hey dc, I am a corporate pilot and that program only allowed airline pilots to carry.

If your employer wanted to allow you to carry, you could carry. There are no regs limiting firearms on GA aircraft.
It doesn't matter if its a 152 or a Boeing Business Jet. Its GA.

Charter might be a different deal because you are taking passengers for hire.

I have an aquaintance from the airport. He has the best job in the world. He flies for a rich guy, some corporation that you've never heard of that has his finger in everything.
Because he doesn't need to move a lot of people, but he likes to get there fast he has a Citation X, the fastest civilian plane on the planet. (It carries 6 and has the same engines as a regional jetliner)
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When he goes to the UK , he usually brings a bunch of nice doubles, in case he is invited to go bird hunting. The guns are carried in the cabin where its nice and warm with no risk of condensation. Nobody cares. Its a GA aircraft.

As you know, there's no metal detector at the FBO because there is no need for one. (Although I might think its appropriate if someone wanted to charter a Global Express)

Don

p.s. The guy I know's boss also has a Caravan on floats for short trips and trips to his house on long island. Not too bad huh.
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The Citation X is usually set up to carry 8 passengers in dual club seat configurations. Its ceiling is 51,000' but you need to be very light to get there.It's Max Mach is .92 but typically cruises M.88/89 between 43,000 - 47,000'. It has Rolls Royce AE3007C engines with 6442lbs of thrust or AE3007C1 engines with 6764 Lbs of thrust, which is the same engine used on the Embrear Regional Jet, though the thrust is derated on the X. I have 4,000 hours and 13 years flying the X. Infact my company was the first north of White plains to have one.

Signature Boston and O'Hare both have metal detectors and security working them.
 
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This is pretty much the boat that I'm in. My company has it in the handbook for looks alone. I got my LTC-A while I was employed here, and the CIO took the class with me (he's from the socialist city of Salem, MA, so he was unable to get his unrestricted [sad]). More recently, my CTO took his class and received his LTC-A. Almost no one I work with knows that there are some who carry (I'm sure some people suspect it, because our enthusiasm for firearms isn't exactly a big secret, but no one openly talks about it). However, anybody who can actually do anything about it does know, and they see it in a positive light. I'm very fortunate for this.

As an aside, it's funny that we have one of these threads today. I saw this blog post in some newsletter that I'm subscribed to at work (not sure how or why I'm subscribed): http://www.bnet.com/blog/salesmachine/a-coworker-pulls-out-a-gun-now-what/13898?promo=665&tag=nl.e665
It's the kind of feel-good "you can do it!" moonbattery that makes you want to carry a gun at work. [laugh] I tried posting something:



And this is what I got from the blogger:

So let's say there are 100 million people at work every day. That means you've got a 0.0002% chance of being murdered at work every year. That's statistically insignificant. So only a stupid person (meaning somebody who can't understand basic math) would bother to carry a gun to the office for protection.

Go figure. [laugh]

I guess this means that since it is statistically unlikely that you will be struck by lightning, you should be fine with playing golf with a thunderstorm rolling in.

How about statistically comparing the the number of unarmed VS the number of armed victims of workplace shootings? There are plenty of ways to use math to your advantage.

Go figure. [laugh]
 
guns are like condoms:

better have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

and i am pretty sure that most of us have been in the: "need it but not have it" situation at least once when it comes to a condom.



Originally Posted by william_munny View Post
This is pretty much the boat that I'm in. My company has it in the handbook for looks alone. I got my LTC-A while I was employed here, and the CIO took the class with me (he's from the socialist city of Salem, MA, so he was unable to get his unrestricted ). More recently, my CTO took his class and received his LTC-A. Almost no one I work with knows that there are some who carry (I'm sure some people suspect it, because our enthusiasm for firearms isn't exactly a big secret, but no one openly talks about it). However, anybody who can actually do anything about it does know, and they see it in a positive light. I'm very fortunate for this.

As an aside, it's funny that we have one of these threads today. I saw this blog post in some newsletter that I'm subscribed to at work (not sure how or why I'm subscribed): http://www.bnet.com/blog/salesmachin...65&tag=nl.e665
It's the kind of feel-good "you can do it!" moonbattery that makes you want to carry a gun at work. I tried posting something:



And this is what I got from the blogger:

So let's say there are 100 million people at work every day. That means you've got a 0.0002% chance of being murdered at work every year. That's statistically insignificant. So only a stupid person (meaning somebody who can't understand basic math) would bother to carry a gun to the office for protection.

Go figure.

there are also over 50K commercial flights around the world every day. (i think the number is close to 80K or higher) how many of those get taken over by terrorists?
less than 0.02% so why do we have to go through all the TSA BS?

 
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If your employer wanted to allow you to carry, you could carry. There are no regs limiting firearms on GA aircraft.
It doesn't matter if its a 152 or a Boeing Business Jet. Its GA.

If you are carrying passengers for money all the rules change. Dramatically. It might not be the same as full blown commercial, but it's definitely different.

-Mike
 
Thanks guys. I still have at least another couple of weeks before I send in my renewal application. I think given what's been going on in the last few days that I have a lot to consider. I don't know, but it just seems like there's an awful lot of sad folks out there - be it the economy, lack of jobs or lack of 'hope,' it just reeks of unstable all around.
 
If you are carrying passengers for money all the rules change. Dramatically. It might not be the same as full blown commercial, but it's definitely different.

-Mike

At the discretion of the Command Pilot.

ETA: this is for charter. There may be company polices that further limit.
 
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I don't even know the policy, but I seriously doubt it's allowed. What do most of you do when you carry to and from work in this situation? I would imagine it's not too tough to just toss your sidearm and holster in the trunk and go in, but what about when you leave? It's a bit tricky to get everything setup in the parking lot...
 
I'm in NH, and AFAIK, there's no storage laws. So I use the glovebox. It's a locked car, and I don't advertise that I carry. At some point I might look into a lockbox, but that seems like more work to use--but I could probably use that for out of state trips. [Well, make that a big "need to use it".]
 
If you are carrying passengers for money all the rules change. Dramatically. It might not be the same as full blown commercial, but it's definitely different.

-Mike

I said that later in the same paragraph, when I referred to charter operations. I wasn't totally clear, but charters and corporate flights fly under different FARs. If memory serves me right 91 for corporate and 135 for charter.
 
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