Canadian Court Rules Gun Maker Smith & Wesson Can Be Liable for 2018 Shooting

[fishgutzy]

Judge watches clips from Hollyweird fiction and says "see, I told you the technology exists."

 

[fishgutzy]

One would think, that if there was no law requiring such technology, then there would be no requirement to include it.

Only CA can require guns to have technology that doesn't exist. NJ came close.

 

[cetme24]

Then S&W potentially loses dozens of dollars in Canadian sales.

S&W potentially looses dozens of Loonies in Canadian sales

 

[BOOTKNIFEFAN]

If this goes forward there will be ZERO gun manufacturers doing business with Canada

RCMP and many other Canadian LE agencies use Glocks. Wonder if Glock will make the Canadian government sign a waiver of liability?

 

[Roadglide]

Every gun manufacturer should boycott Canada. Let their military defend their country with sticks and rocks.

 

[Drix]

RCMP and many other Canadian LE agencies use Glocks. Wonder if Glock will make the Canadian government sign a waiver of liability?

Bringing up liability reminds me of some netflix show I once saw about policing in Austrailia. The show made a big point about the officers signing out handguns for the day- Literally had to go to an armory, an armorer took the gun off the wall, recorded the serial number down, and the cop had to do the same deal in reverse when it was signed back in like some sort of holy grail.

 

[Camhabib]

Unless I'm mistaken (which as a non-lawyer I easily could be), this ruling just puts the gun industry in line with just about every other one. Which is to say, manufactures have a duty to ensure to the best of their ability that their products are used as intended. It doesn't imply liability or guilt, just allows for that liability to be determined.

 

[cjbenway]

Unless I'm mistaken (which as a non-lawyer I easily could be), this ruling just puts the gun industry in line with just about every other one. Which is to say, manufactures have a duty to ensure to the best of their ability that their products are used as intended. It doesn't imply liability or guilt, just allows for that liability to be determined.

flame much?

 

[oldguy68]

I think we just found Maura's mole!

 

[gerrycaruso]

If the govt. doesn't rein in this nitwit, soon all the cops will be unarmed because they won't even be able to find a company willing to make them a pointy stick.

 

[Dadstoys]

 

[KBCraig]

Smith & Wesson should sue the university that granted this judge a law degree.

 

[AHM]

The gun companies will pull out in fear of getting sued,thus making it harder for the people kopsh to find guns for purchase.

FTFY.

This argument will gain traction in the US soon.

Traction begets tension.

 

[BOOTKNIFEFAN]

Bringing up liability reminds me of some netflix show I once saw about policing in Austrailia. The show made a big point about the officers signing out handguns for the day- Literally had to go to an armory, an armorer took the gun off the wall, recorded the serial number down, and the cop had to do the same deal in reverse when it was signed back in like some sort of holy grail.

Friend in U.S. Navy went through the same thing. Check out shotgun or handgun for topside watch. When watch ended, arms and ammo were returned to the small-arms locker, which was under the control of the Master-At-Arms or his/her delegate. European cops do not take their guns home, either. They are considered to be shift equipment and are turned in after each shift. LEOSA nationwide 24/7 carry is a uniquely American LEO privilege.

 

[watchman]

If liability can be found on one manufacturer any and every lawyer out there could prove it on others. This would mean it would be too costly to build and sell anything at all so....

 

[Dennis in MA]

Does Canada make any firearms?
If not soon they won’t have any because we won’t be shipping to them.

That’s the hope. But as we’ve seen with anti-gun jurisdictions in the US, they’ll still sell guns to police and military.

 

[The5thDentist]

That’s the hope. But as we’ve seen with anti-gun jurisdictions in the US, they’ll still sell guns to police and military.

Yup. There is always some asshoe who will be out to make a quick buck instead of helping the cause.

 

[71montess]

As the son of Canadian, legal immigrant, I’m totally embarrassed at how loony tunes liberal Canada is.

 

[The5thDentist]

Does Canada make any firearms?
If not soon they won’t have any because we won’t be shipping to them.

According to wikipedia, there are only two companies that currently make firearms in Canada.
First is Savage, which exports most of their factory's production to the U.S.
Second is Colt, which never met a government contract it didn't like.

F Colt.

Category:Firearm manufacturers of Canada - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[watchman]

As far as Canada and where's it's going this is an eye opener..If it walks like a duck or more like looks like the postman son it is a duck


View: https://medium.com/@leibowitt/of-course-fidel-castro-is-justin-trudeaus-dad-nobody-has-debunked-anything-4db6fc8a9042

 

[AHM]

As far as Canada and where's it's going this is an eye opener..If it walks like a duck or more like looks like the postman son it is a duck

Quack back twice as hard!

 

[BOOTKNIFEFAN]

According to wikipedia, there are only two companies that currently make firearms in Canada.
First is Savage, which exports most of their factory's production to the U.S.
Second is Colt, which never met a government contract it didn't like.

F Colt.

Category:Firearm manufacturers of Canada - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

My wife and I own 3 small-caliber Savage bolt action rifles. I thought they were made in Massachusetts?

 

[DPR]

Unless I'm mistaken (which as a non-lawyer I easily could be), this ruling just puts the gun industry in line with just about every other one. Which is to say, manufactures have a duty to ensure to the best of their ability that their products are used as intended. It doesn't imply liability or guilt, just allows for that liability to be determined.

Nonsense. So now we’ll require vehicle manufactures to put breathalyzers in their cars? What about knife manufacturers? How would Stihl be liable if I chop up my neighbor with a chainsaw?

Unless a gun was designed, manufactured and marketed to the mentally ill so they could steal that gun and murder innocent people then no way should they be held liable. Your post is nonsense.

 

[Camhabib]

Nonsense. So now we’ll require vehicle manufactures to put breathalyzers in their cars? What about knife manufacturers? How would Stihl be liable if I chop up my neighbor with a chainsaw?

Unless a gun was designed, manufactured and marketed to the mentally ill so they could steal that gun and murder innocent people then no way should they be held liable. Your post is nonsense.

I think you need to read a bit more carefully. Again, no one is saying gum manufactures are liable, they're just saying that they have the possibility to be liable. It's the same reason why electronic dusters contain bitters to deter inhaling, etc.

 

[The5thDentist]

My wife and I own 3 small-caliber Savage bolt action rifles. I thought they were made in Massachusetts?

Maybe yours were?

 

[DPR]

I think you need to read a bit more carefully. Again, no one is saying gum manufactures are liable, they're just saying that they have the possibility to be liable. It's the same reason why electronic dusters contain bitters to deter inhaling, etc.

So what is Ford doing to ensure that their products are being used as intended? Anyone or any company is potentially liable for anything that happens near, in or around them. Saying a firearm manufacture is possibly negligent for it being stolen and used to murder people is no different than Ford being liable for a drunk stealing one of their vehicles and killing people with it.

 

[Camhabib]

So what is Ford doing to ensure that their products are being used as intended? Anyone or any company is potentially liable for anything that happens near, in or around them. Saying a firearm manufacture is possibly negligent for it being stolen and used to murder people is no different than Ford being liable for a drunk stealing one of their vehicles and killing people with it.

It seems like you're thinking about this in the wrong context. Sig isn't responsible for making their firearms harder to be used in a murder. That isn't possible. They are responsible however (hypothetically) for making the serial number not rub off with one pass of sandpaper in the event it is stolen, or if they provide a case that locks, making sure that case isn't easily opened from the other side. This ruling doesn't say that Sig is now responsible for every death caused by a stolen firearm, just that if Sig knowingly put out a gun with an easily destroyed serial number, that lead to people purchasing them with the intent of trafficking them, that they can potentially be responsible for damages caused by that.

 

[TheGreekFreak]

Ultra liberal activist judge in Canada.....why is anyone suprised anytime someone over the age of 24 tells me "had a great time in Montreal this weekend", I throw up in my mouth a little. You had a great time with a bunch of passive aggressive asshats jamming french down your throat 24/7?

Goofy ass country, S&W should make the slides of all the guns they sell to those pussys shaped like a nice phallus, so every time the user racks the slide they pleasure an American firearm.

 

[Golddiggie]

Maybe yours were?

The one I bought within the last few years is stamped as made in MA... So either SOME are made in Canadastan, or they shifted out of that frozen shithole.

 

[DPR]

It seems like you're thinking about this in the wrong context. Sig isn't responsible for making their firearms harder to be used in a murder. That isn't possible. They are responsible however (hypothetically) for making the serial number not rub off with one pass of sandpaper in the event it is stolen, or if they provide a case that locks, making sure that case isn't easily opened from the other side. This ruling doesn't say that Sig is now responsible for every death caused by a stolen firearm, just that if Sig knowingly put out a gun with an easily destroyed serial number, that lead to people purchasing them with the intent of trafficking them, that they can potentially be responsible for damages caused by that.

I don’t think you realize that with this case a gun manufacturer is being held liable for not making their guns harder to be used in a murder. Otherwise Sig and serial numbers having nothing at all to do with this case.