Calls For Mandatory "National Service" they want your children

[Bfatz]

http://www.nationaljournal.com/poli...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

A nice Nazi-esque propaganda piece if I ever saw one.

Ron Fournier is the Senior Political Columnist and Editorial Director of National Journal. Prior to joining NJ, he worked at the Associated Press for 20 years, most recently as Washington Bureau Chief. A Detroit native, Fournier began his career in Arkansas, first with the Hot Springs Sentinel-Record and then with the Arkansas Democrat and the AP, where he covered the state legislature and Gov. Bill Clinton. In January 1993, Fournier moved to Washington, where he covered the White House and presidential campaigns for the AP.

So basically, this guy covered Bill Clinton in Arkansas, moved to the District of Criminals after he was elected President, and now wants to convince you to subject your innocent children into mandatory service to a nation provably run by corrupt criminals and oligarchs.

 

[robjax]

what an effing $hithead. Utopia doesn't exist. Never will. I think the democratic party should be labeled as "domestic terrorists". They are destroying the American way of life.

 

[pastera]

My wife is a naturalized citizen and can claim citizenship for our children in here home country. We have discussed this many times - If there is a move to conscript for another BS war, they bug out immediately then we close out things here and follow.

Love my country but love my kids so much more...

 

[ToddDubya]

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[ToddDubya]

I've highlighted the key word here...

Or the United States—under Barack Obama or the next president—can choose to engage aggressively, hoping that a greater assault than what's being accomplished by U.S. airpower and on-the-ground training will stop ISIS from destroying the governments in the region that still take Washington's calls. The cost of this choice is great: money and, more importantly, blood.

 

[JohnZ]

I've highlighted the key word here...

He did promise hope and change. There's half of it.

 

[Pete85]

Why not let the governments that these people are attacking deal with the problem. When they start to move their attacks to America, then America gets involved. As the article points out, they're most likely going to set their sights on Europe long before they start any serious campaigns on America. Europe needs to be awoken from it's dreamland slumber to realize that there is a real threat to peace in this world to get them to contribute to their own defense as well. The U.S. military is not the world's military. Focus our military on our defense, not on the defense of other nations that choose not to focus on their own military. Right now, our nation's military expenditures are something like that of the next 20 countries combined...in part because we've been fighting the battles for those next 20 countries for the past 70 years. It's time to let others step in and take control of their own defense.

 

[RImike]

what an effing $hithead. Utopia doesn't exist. Never will. I think the democratic party should be labeled as "domestic terrorists". They are destroying the American way of life.

The NYT has already done that to us.

I would say the democratic part, I would say that progressive liberalism through is cancerous the the growth of American society.

 

[usp45ct]

Out of his ****ing mind.

I am curious to know how many years and in what branch Ron served.

 

[Rockrivr1]

There have been posts on this topic before and I find the NES consensus shifts back and forth depending on the article and who's writing it. One such post revolved around how Israel does this for everyone in their society. I work with two very large Israeli companies and I have yet to talk with one of them about this who didn't think it was good for their country. For many it was a sense of pride for them. The NES post leaned in that direction as well.

So I find it interesting that the stance so far in this post is that it's boarder line "Nazi-esque". Why is it good for Israel and not good for the US? I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, so flame away, but I don't have a problem with this if it was done in the right way. (Gov't's involved so I'm sure it will be done wrong.)

To the posts that worry this is an option to force kids into the military to fight what you perceive as an "unjust" war, the article also give the option for Teach America, AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps. All non-military, and in many instances, a worthwhile endeavor.

Here's how I see it.

If mandatory, have service count as one year of college credits
Teach a large potion of US Citizens, that opt for military, about guns and their proper use (Help reduce the BS circulating about evil black rifles)
Give's the ability for large scale training to those that need it. (Military training that can be migrated to civilian life)
Civilian service will help low income and impovished people and communities, thus reducing many social issues faced in those groups
Breaks the chain of welfare baby to welfare scammer/recipient by making them contribute.

The list can go on. Again, if done right I don't see it as a bad thing. The issue I'd have is whether I'd trust the Gov't to do it right.

 

[ToddDubya]

Because nothing says "Freedom" like forced labor.

 

[not new guy]

Not my kids. Not against their will anyway.

 

[xtry51]

We have a name for that already. It's called slavery.

 

[JackOfAllTrades]

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This just about sums it up for me.

The problem I have with government is this mandatory thing.

Mandatory means that you don't have a choice. Choice is what freedom is all about.

If no one cares enough to do it on their own, then clearly this isn't somethng that the people want.

If even half of the people wanted this there would be no need to mandate anything.

 

[standfast86]

Why do my 4 sons have to sign up for sel serv, but my daughter doesn't?
Sure, reinstate the draft. Ladies first.

 

[xtry51]

Why do my 4 sons have to sign up for sel serv, but my daughter doesn't?
Sure, reinstate the draft. Ladies first.

Reinstate the draft PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR IT FIRST, AND FIRST TO THE FRONT OF THE BATTLEFIELD.

 

[soloman02]

This article nails it.

To Destroy ISIS, Conscript Millennials, Says Baby Boomer Journalist

The tone of Fournier’s column suggests that he considers mandatory national service a compromise in light of political realism—he would clearly prefer to restore the draft outright. This “compromise” idea is less horrifying than the draft, but not by a whole lot.

Disclaimer: I’m a millennial. I’m 26-years-old. I’m married and have a surprisingly steady job writing about why the government sucks. I’m supposed to just set all that aside for a year to work for causes I either don’t support, or actively oppose?

There are so many things wrong with this idea. For starters, it violates the principles upon which this nation was founded—that all men and women have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. While the Supreme Court has never held that mandatory national service violates the Constitution, the language of the Thirteen Amendment seems pretty clear to me: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States.”

At the root of Fournier’s plan is a more insidiously evil notion: that millennials aren’t doing anything worthwhile with their lives right now, and their time would be better spent in Teach for America, or the Army. There’s some anti-market thinking at work here, since typically, the activities that free people choose for themselves are more productive and profitable than the ones totalitarian governments assign to them. This is why the comparatively less meddlesome U.S. government is generally in better shape than, say, Venezuela. Fournier is essentially saying that in order to defeat our enemies, we have to mimic their levels of disrespect for individual freedom.

I suppose one could possibly justify forcing people to give this up and join the military if the U.S. were facing an imminent end-of-the-world conflict. But ISIS poses no threat to national security; it’s a problem for the Middle East—a region that has never benefitted from heavy U.S. involvement in its affairs. In fact, ISIS arose from the ashes of the previous U.S.-sponsored war to sanitize the Middle East. Our record suggests that a concentrated effort to destroy ISIS would only produce Super ISIS.

This goal is worth the mass conscription of millennials? Hell no. I have a better idea. Let’s deploy tired, lazy, out-of-touch Baby Boomer journalists to fight ISIS. That would free up some jobs for younger, harder-working writers who actually have novel ideas about productively improving the country. And we wouldn’t have to read any more of these lazy columns about the need for involuntary national service!

 

[jkelly1229]

Ha dude if you think the lobbyists for these major defense corporations are just going to let us walk away from being world police. I don't see a lot of people lining up to pay 1.8 billion per f18 raptor or whatever they cost or 28 million per tomahawk. The only way this ends is if every major defense manufacturer decides they don't want to make billions.

 

[Mr. Gold]

There have been posts on this topic before and I find the NES consensus shifts back and forth depending on the article and who's writing it. One such post revolved around how Israel does this for everyone in their society. I work with two very large Israeli companies and I have yet to talk with one of them about this who didn't think it was good for their country. For many it was a sense of pride for them. The NES post leaned in that direction as well.

So you asked the sheep what they were their opinions about being herded ?
I'd go about and write a 10K word piece about the dimwits living in Israel. Do you really want to live like they live in Israel ?

All the fights, all, every single thing we "fight" for in NES, is already a written law in Israel (as in, has been lost).

Watch out what you hope for.

Before
taxes on import cars will be 100% (no local cars being made, thank you for asking).
Gasoline will cost $9 a Gallon
Your kids would be taken to the army for 3 years, (2 for females), and earn a whopping $200 a month
Your ex prime minister, ex secretary of finance and an assortment of other ministers will be serving time for literally stuffing money into their own pockets.

A bunch of goat ****ers will be bombing your country from 20 miles away, suicide vest wearing terrorists go on to buses and blow young children up, and your government fails to resolve the issue.
FOR TENS OF YEARS.

A person, held for "security" reasons, can be held indefinitely, did you read that? indefinitely! As long as the government wishes, in prison, without being indited.!!!

Don't even get me started about gun control, I'll go ROFL'ing for an hour.

You wanna learn anything from Israel ? Learn how NOT to be them.

Oh my, I can go on and on, but just one last thing:

The neocon brainwash of Americans with this “Israel the hollyland” BS is insane.
Do you even know how they treat Christianity in Israel ? Oh boy. Every time I watch one of those shows, with good, kind , innocent southerners being brain ****ed about the holy land, while their own religion is as welcome there as it is in Tehran, I want to put a 20lbs block through my TV.

It is high time to dispel this "Israel" piece of BS. It is a ****ing statist, borderline communist hell hole.

 

[jhblaze1]

this guy's an idiot...his plan is better than the 2 alternatives of status quo or draft he says....what about the 3rd option? Elect a president who's not a limp dick pussy and and go in balls deep and route ISIS out. Let's stop fighting politically correct wars and just go destroy the ****ing enemy. How about that?

 

[pcgod]

I don't like the government to mandate anything. I have found government mandates in general are poorly crafted and infringe on the freedoms that has made America a great nation.

With that said, I have a old friend who spent 22 years in the Army. His belief is that every young person must do 2 years in the military. While I don't agree with him the points he makes are interesting:

1. Teach young people a work ethic. He had seen folks that had never made a bed before get a real wake up call.
2. Use the new influx of recruits for domestic projects. If an interstate needs repair use the Military construction units.
3. He realizes the cost but feels teaching young folks how to work will save money down the road. Also these new recruits would basically be used for any National Guard related tasks and those organizations would go away.
4. Any other program such as the Peace corps will not be offered. These folks are here to help THEIR own country.
5. This will teach young folks respect for the USA. It will make them feel connected to each other and the country.

I still don't like ideas that are mandated and believe these program will cost taxpayers WAY too much. I do like the idea of connecting young people to America and making them proud to be American.

Finally, I simply don't trust the folks in the government to keep us out war and or fight a war to win. Isis may is a threat but don't send our children over there unless you are going to fight 100% and win 100% and then come home.

 

[xtry51]

I don't like the government to mandate anything. I have found government mandates in general are poorly crafted and infringe on the freedoms that has made America a great nation.

With that said, I have a old friend who spent 22 years in the Army. His belief is that every young person must do 2 years in the military. While I don't agree with him the points he makes are interesting:

1. Teach young people a work ethic. He had seen folks that had never made a bed before get a real wake up call.
2. Use the new influx of recruits for domestic projects. If an interstate needs repair use the Military construction units.
3. He realizes the cost but feels teaching young folks how to work will save money down the road. Also these new recruits would basically be used for any National Guard related tasks and those organizations would go away.
4. Any other program such as the Peace corps will not be offered. These folks are here to help THEIR own country.
5. This will teach young folks respect for the USA. It will make them feel connected to each other and the country.

I still don't like ideas that are mandated and believe these program will cost taxpayers WAY too much. I do like the idea of connecting young people to America and making them proud to be American.

Finally, I simply don't trust the folks in the government to keep us out war and or fight a war to win. Isis may is a threat but don't send our children over there unless you are going to fight 100% and win 100% and then come home.

#1 way you know it's never a good idea: The people who vote to go to war never pick up a rifle themselves, hand one to their kids and wives and lead the charge.

Until that happens I'm full against any type of mandatory service.

If you're not willing to lay your life down then and there, you have zero right to command others to do it for you.

 

[jhblaze1]

There have been posts on this topic before and I find the NES consensus shifts back and forth depending on the article and who's writing it. One such post revolved around how Israel does this for everyone in their society. I work with two very large Israeli companies and I have yet to talk with one of them about this who didn't think it was good for their country. For many it was a sense of pride for them. The NES post leaned in that direction as well.

So I find it interesting that the stance so far in this post is that it's boarder line "Nazi-esque". Why is it good for Israel and not good for the US? I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, so flame away, but I don't have a problem with this if it was done in the right way. (Gov't's involved so I'm sure it will be done wrong.)

To the posts that worry this is an option to force kids into the military to fight what you perceive as an "unjust" war, the article also give the option for Teach America, AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps. All non-military, and in many instances, a worthwhile endeavor.

Here's how I see it.

If mandatory, have service count as one year of college credits
Teach a large potion of US Citizens, that opt for military, about guns and their proper use (Help reduce the BS circulating about evil black rifles)
Give's the ability for large scale training to those that need it. (Military training that can be migrated to civilian life)
Civilian service will help low income and impovished people and communities, thus reducing many social issues faced in those groups
Breaks the chain of welfare baby to welfare scammer/recipient by making them contribute.

The list can go on. Again, if done right I don't see it as a bad thing. The issue I'd have is whether I'd trust the Gov't to do it right.

For me it's simple. I don't support mandatory anything and I don't owe anyone shit. If I want to volunteer I will, if not then leave me heck alone. I don't care what good mandatory service does for the community. Enough of my tax money is taken from the to supposedly help with this or that I'll be damned if my time can now be stolen from me.

 

[GaryO]

Why do my 4 sons have to sign up for sel serv, but my daughter doesn't?
Sure, reinstate the draft. Ladies first.

So if our sons want to go to college and need to get a loan, they need to be willing to sacrifice their lives but our daughters don't. Makes a lot of sense.

 

[standfast86]

Everytime I hear "equal pay for equal work", the first thing I think of is Selective Service. I don't know why I let progressives troll me like that.

 

[josh2600]

I don't like the government to mandate anything. I have found government mandates in general are poorly crafted and infringe on the freedoms that has made America a great nation.

With that said, I have a old friend who spent 22 years in the Army. His belief is that every young person must do 2 years in the military. While I don't agree with him the points he makes are interesting:

1. Teach young people a work ethic. He had seen folks that had never made a bed before get a real wake up call.
2. Use the new influx of recruits for domestic projects. If an interstate needs repair use the Military construction units.
3. He realizes the cost but feels teaching young folks how to work will save money down the road. Also these new recruits would basically be used for any National Guard related tasks and those organizations would go away.
4. Any other program such as the Peace corps will not be offered. These folks are here to help THEIR own country.
5. This will teach young folks respect for the USA. It will make them feel connected to each other and the country.

I still don't like ideas that are mandated and believe these program will cost taxpayers WAY too much. I do like the idea of connecting young people to America and making them proud to be American.

Finally, I simply don't trust the folks in the government to keep us out war and or fight a war to win. Isis may is a threat but don't send our children over there unless you are going to fight 100% and win 100% and then come home.

We raise enough blind nationalists as it is.

 

[Spanz]

yeah, I trust Obama/Pelosi/Clinton to decide about our youth!
But first, let them send their own kids to wherever...