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Guys are scanning their faces and 3D printing them, with holders for filter material. They look really creepy.
"Their" own faces, you mean? I might try that. I wonder if there are programs to agify/youngify CAD images (like the photoshop stuff) or change races, etc.

I wonder if the libs would call me racist if used anything other than white filament?
 

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To all the pro mask folks.

How do you explain Sweden? Mask use is not mandatory and they seem to be doing just fine.

Every major health organization flip flops on masks. Fauci and the Surgeon General told us mask usage was ineffective. About a month ago the WHO said there still wasn’t data to back up mask usage as being effective. So I am generally curious why people in here pretend to have it figured out that it’s effective and universally needed?
 

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"Their" own faces, you mean? I might try that. I wonder if there are programs to agify/youngify CAD images (like the photoshop stuff) or change races, etc.

I wonder if the libs would call me racist if used anything other than white filament?
Almost all humans are different shades of brown. But that’s not a common 3D print color.
Most popular colors are white, black, blue, and olive drab. White and black resins are usually strongest. I’ll crank up my scanner next week but I’m sticking with my cloth mask or [Industrial] N95. Stark white looks creepy as hell if you ask me.

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To all the pro mask folks.

How do you explain Sweden? Mask use is not mandatory and they seem to be doing just fine.

Every major health organization flip flops on masks. Fauci and the Surgeon General told us mask usage was ineffective. About a month ago the WHO said there still wasn’t data to back up mask usage as being effective. So I am generally curious why people in here pretend to have it figured out that it’s effective and universally needed?
The person behind the no mask thing there now suggests masks for targeted situations like public transportation.


"The Swedish epidemiologist has repeatedly made international headlines since advising against a full lockdown. He’s subsequently admitted that more restrictions might have been necessary, but refused to abandon his strategy. Meanwhile, Sweden has one of the world’s highest Covid mortality rates."
 

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To all the pro mask folks.

How do you explain Sweden? Mask use is not mandatory and they seem to be doing just fine.

Every major health organization flip flops on masks. Fauci and the Surgeon General told us mask usage was ineffective. About a month ago the WHO said there still wasn’t data to back up mask usage as being effective. So I am generally curious why people in here pretend to have it figured out that it’s effective and universally needed?
I'm neither pro mask nor anti mask.

There can be no possible doubt that wearing a mask reduces the likelihood of infection. Depending on the mask you or the public might be better or lesser protected, but there IS a benefit.

That foolishness about masks not working was solely to reduce the hoarding that happened anyway. Once manufacturing ramped up to meet the demand, suddenly masks work. That's social dynamics, not medicine.

Trump SHOULD have just ordered the public to wear masks back in February and then there would have been NO hoarding, at least by the libs.

An approach that works for one country/culture may not work for another. If you approve of Sweden's approach, look here (How to move to Sweden and become a Swedish citizen). The requirements aren't all that strict. Be a good person, dress casually and drink lot's of coffee. Chances are you'll fit right in.
 

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The person behind the no mask thing there now suggests masks for targeted situations like public transportation.

"The Swedish epidemiologist has repeatedly made international headlines since advising against a full lockdown. He’s subsequently admitted that more restrictions might have been necessary, but refused to abandon his strategy. Meanwhile, Sweden has one of the world’s highest Covid mortality rates."
They leave out the part about Belgium, UK, Spain and Italy being higher - substantially higher.

Sweden is at 556/100K, US 432.

 

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To all the pro mask folks.

How do you explain Sweden? Mask use is not mandatory and they seem to be doing just fine.

Every major health organization flip flops on masks. Fauci and the Surgeon General told us mask usage was ineffective. About a month ago the WHO said there still wasn’t data to back up mask usage as being effective. So I am generally curious why people in here pretend to have it figured out that it’s effective and universally needed?
Sweden is a bad example - they don't need rules to do the "right" thing... Very compliant and supportive of any "my brother's keeper" stuff.
The attitude works extremely well in a homogeneous society (but is part of the reason the US is F'd)
 

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Almost all humans are different shades of brown. But that’s not a common 3D print color.
Most popular colors are white, black, blue, and olive drab. White and black resins are usually strongest. I’ll crank up my scanner next week but I’m sticking with my cloth mask or [Industrial] N95. Stark white looks creepy as hell if you ask me.

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I just might do this. I currently have black, white and red. Red is in the printer so unless I want to dig in the back room for b/w, I guess I'm going native. I suppose I could order tan.
 

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Soooooo..... the Patron Saint of Covid, thinks that moving infected patients into retirement homes by the thousands, not utilizing the hospital ship that was sent there, allowing mass demonstrations, no ENCOURAGING mass demonstrations...was the way to handle this! No politics involved here. Tell me Oh Wise Mask Monkeys...do you agree with the good doctor?
 

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Sweden is a bad example - they don't need rules to do the "right" thing... Very compliant and supportive of any "my brother's keeper" stuff.
The attitude works extremely well in a homogeneous society (but is part of the reason the US is F'd)
Most Europeans trust their governments moser than the average American and they also have a greater sense of community responsibility.

the handful of choads on here bitching about masks are just doing so out of a juvenile, anti authority attitude. If baker had ordered them not to wear masks, they would be of the opposite opinion. They are not impressing anyone with their faux libertarian mask bashing.
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The person behind the no mask thing there now suggests masks for targeted situations like public transportation.


"The Swedish epidemiologist has repeatedly made international headlines since advising against a full lockdown. He’s subsequently admitted that more restrictions might have been necessary, but refused to abandon his strategy. Meanwhile, Sweden has one of the world’s highest Covid mortality rates."
So what your saying is their government and experts lied just like ours did. Now we are supposed to believe them?

I'm neither pro mask nor anti mask.

There can be no possible doubt that wearing a mask reduces the likelihood of infection. Depending on the mask you or the public might be better or lesser protected, but there IS a benefit.

That foolishness about masks not working was solely to reduce the hoarding that happened anyway. Once manufacturing ramped up to meet the demand, suddenly masks work. That's social dynamics, not medicine.

Trump SHOULD have just ordered the public to wear masks back in February and then there would have been NO hoarding, at least by the libs.

An approach that works for one country/culture may not work for another. If you approve of Sweden's approach, look here (How to move to Sweden and become a Swedish citizen). The requirements aren't all that strict. Be a good person, dress casually and drink lot's of coffee. Chances are you'll fit right in.
That isn't something the President can and should do. This is and should continue to be a states issue. He isn't emperor.

I bet you feel real safe out in the public with people using bandannas and t-shirts for masks. "You don't like it move"... nice touch.

Sweden is a bad example - they don't need rules to do the "right" thing... Very compliant and supportive of any "my brother's keeper" stuff.
The attitude works extremely well in a homogeneous society (but is part of the reason the US is F'd)
Again, I am not convinced it is the right thing to do. I am genuinely curious what sources people deem to be reliable that promote mask usage.


Bottom line is this... IMO there isn't concrete proof that proper mask usage cuts down on anything especially when people are walking around wearing t-shirts and bandannas for masks. I also don't think it should be mandatory, and especially not if mandated at an Executive Level. The real issue here is that government lied, the media has been lying since day 1 and nobody trusts anybody to give the unbiased truth and facts.
 

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ETA: Although it's also a good argument for not visiting such restaurants... A good friend worked in a Wendy's, back in the 80's. He delighted in telling stories about the impromptu hockey games they would have with frozen hamburger "pucks" that fell on the floor, before putting them back to be cooked and served. But chances are the cooking process sterilized them, I guess...
wait a minute, I thought the patties were never frozen? The biggest lie in this thread is the never frozen beef. 😷
 

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Most Europeans trust their governments moser than the average American and they also have a greater sense of community responsibility.

the handful of choads on here bitching about masks are just doing so out of a juvenile, anti authority attitude. If baker had ordered them not to wear masks, they would be of the opposite opinion. They are not impressing anyone with their faux libertarian mask bashing.
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"Most Europeans trust their governments moser than the average American and they also have a greater sense of community responsibility."
Ahhhh...."It Takes A Village". Spoken like a true Compliant Sheep. There is no question where you would have stood in 1776. Your point of view sits well with the Statist/Socialist crowd. "YOU MUST COMPLY" Like I said, if Felchi told you that sticking a finger up your ass would make you "safe" you'd use your whole hand. Now, it's a beautiful day out there, take the mask off and get some fresh air, the CO2 is numbing your brain.
 

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So what your saying is their government and experts lied just like ours did. Now we are supposed to believe them?
The real issue here is that government lied, the media has been lying since day 1 and nobody trusts anybody to give the unbiased truth and facts.
Uh...no....a bunch of lemmings here "trust" the government AND the Media! Baaaa
 

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Not sure why two responses got concatenated but not going to split

Masks, properly worn and stored, do help to varying degrees.
The virus is not expelled from a host on it's own - it is contained within bodily fluids in droplets of largely varying sizes.
How small of a droplet will be captured depends on the quality of the mask but there will be a reduction. For anyone questioning this, I hope you have never used a foam type air filter like a K&N.

People are not wearing the masks properly but there is still some level of protection.
The kid who touches his mask then touches your groceries wasn't going to sanitize his has and workspace between customers anyhow so those surfaces were going to cross contaminate even without the mask touch.

Do I wear mask? Mostly. If I am going into a store that is essentially empty, probably not.
So what your saying is their government and experts lied just like ours did. Now we are supposed to believe them?



That isn't something the President can and should do. This is and should continue to be a states issue. He isn't emperor.

I bet you feel real safe out in the public with people using bandannas and t-shirts for masks. "You don't like it move"... nice touch.



Again, I am not convinced it is the right thing to do. I am genuinely curious what sources people deem to be reliable that promote mask usage.


Bottom line is this... IMO there isn't concrete proof that proper mask usage cuts down on anything especially when people are walking around wearing t-shirts and bandannas for masks. I also don't think it should be mandatory, and especially not if mandated at an Executive Level. The real issue here is that government lied, the media has been lying since day 1 and nobody trusts anybody to give the unbiased truth and facts.
A t-shirt or bandana is not proper mast use, period.
Mast use cuts down on transmission in proportion to the quality of the mask and adherence to proper use.
Just because some people can't or won't use a tool properly doesn't mean the tool is ineffective...
A two layers, dense fabric mask isn't an N95 mast but it will still offer a large amount of transmission protection if both the transmitter (most important) and susceptible persons are wearing them.

For the record I am not a mandatory mask person but I'm not about to give up on logic and say that because the virus is <0.3 microns that even an N95 won't stop it.

The virus isn't transmitted by itself, it is carried on droplets of bodily fluids of various sizes. Those droplets are, to a large degree, able to be captured or slowed by even a decent cloth mask.
Look at a foam air filter (like a K&N) those have massive holes compared to their filtration size but they still work because they don't allow a straight path through them. Same concept for the cloth masks and the reason for multiple layers.
 

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Not sure why two responses got concatenated but not going to split

Masks, properly worn and stored, do help to varying degrees.
The virus is not expelled from a host on it's own - it is contained within bodily fluids in droplets of largely varying sizes.
How small of a droplet will be captured depends on the quality of the mask but there will be a reduction. For anyone questioning this, I hope you have never used a foam type air filter like a K&N.

People are not wearing the masks properly but there is still some level of protection.
The kid who touches his mask then touches your groceries wasn't going to sanitize his has and workspace between customers anyhow so those surfaces were going to cross contaminate even without the mask touch.

Do I wear mask? Mostly. If I am going into a store that is essentially empty, probably not.

A t-shirt or bandana is not proper mast use, period.
Mast use cuts down on transmission in proportion to the quality of the mask and adherence to proper use.
Just because some people can't or won't use a tool properly doesn't mean the tool is ineffective...
A two layers, dense fabric mask isn't an N95 mast but it will still offer a large amount of transmission protection if both the transmitter (most important) and susceptible persons are wearing them.

For the record I am not a mandatory mask person but I'm not about to give up on logic and say that because the virus is <0.3 microns that even an N95 won't stop it.

The virus isn't transmitted by itself, it is carried on droplets of bodily fluids of various sizes. Those droplets are, to a large degree, able to be captured or slowed by even a decent cloth mask.
Look at a foam air filter (like a K&N) those have massive holes compared to their filtration size but they still work because they don't allow a straight path through them. Same concept for the cloth masks and the reason for multiple layers.
Maybe, maybe not. Point being the people responsible for communicating the message have done nothing but lie along the way to serve a particular agenda.
 

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BT74-

Do you have any intent other than hurling childish insults at those who disagree with you? What are you building with that? What insight do you have that might contribute to an effective policy to mitigate the medical and economic impacts of our covid shit show.

The majority of your posts seem to be stuck in middle school name calling. Not sure of your intent, but comes across as “didn’t finish high school, lives in mom’s basement level of teenage angst” run amok. That behavior doesn’t work in any family, social, or work environment I’ve experienced. Do you act this way at home, church or work? Or do you save it up for the anonymous internet family?
 

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... That isn't something the President can and should do. This is and should continue to be a states issue. He isn't emperor. ...
So that was actually a joke. The libs obsessively do the opposite of what Trump says. Had he ordered them to wear them, they would have left them for the medical community and then been able to say later, "Told you so".

MY view is, the gov should not MANDATE mask use, but you're STUPID not to wear one (properly)

... I bet you feel real safe out in the public with people using bandannas and t-shirts for masks. ...
I wear an N100. I don't give a flying f**k in a rolling donut what you wear.

... "You don't like it move"... nice touch. ...
Oh lighten up. It was a joke. Laugh a little.

... IMO there isn't concrete proof that proper mask usage cuts down on anything ...
Except for the countless studies performed over the past hundred years proving they do help.

... especially when people are walking around wearing t-shirts and bandannas for masks. ...
Stupid people will stupid. That imposes no obligation on me to ALSO act stupidly.

... government lied, the media has been lying ... nobody trusts anybody to give the unbiased truth and facts.
True, but it's always been true and always will be.
 

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wait a minute, I thought the patties were never frozen? The biggest lie in this thread is the never frozen beef. 😷
His story, not mine, and I'm reaching back at least 20 years since he last told me the story, which was 20 years after it happened. Maybe he or I misrecalled some detail, but that was the gist of it.

Unrelated, I love H&K. My first "real" rifle (still have it) was an HK91.
 

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It would be interesting to see what they plan to do with their OWN employees that walk around with placebo masks pulled down? Seems they should be asked to leave. Also, I am curious as to whether all these Virtue Signaling businesses are properly disposing of the masks and gloves thrown on the ground. They are Biohazard material. and are supposed to be bagged and sent out for incineration, fully documented. Bet most of them just go in the trash. "It's for the Children"! Baaaaaaa
I will have to dive deeper into that aspect of things. They would actually need biohazard containers to deposit them into when removed.
 

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Well that's interesting, so someone will say its their policy to wear as mask, I say "Gotcha" and "No I won't" - then I just go shop? :).. ok I guess I am good with that protocol.
Yeah, go figure. It's all a show, to see exactly how far they can push this shit onto the american people. I hear the train a comin'
 

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Maybe, maybe not. Point being the people responsible for communicating the message have done nothing but lie along the way to serve a particular agenda.
You guys have to let this go and think for yourself. Never mind the lies. Does it make sense that a mask would cut down on the spit droplets coming out of your mouth to some degree?

can you honestly tell me with a straight face that a mask does absolutely nothing to reduce the spread? Don’t be willfully ignorant.
 

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Soooooo..... the Patron Saint of Covid, thinks that moving infected patients into retirement homes by the thousands, not utilizing the hospital ship that was sent there, allowing mass demonstrations, no ENCOURAGING mass demonstrations...was the way to handle this! No politics involved here. Tell me Oh Wise Mask Monkeys...do you agree with the good doctor?
What he said. Put this on the nightly MSM news. You will never see it. I think "certain" folks knew that the protests (which should have been restricted to virtual like they made all people who lost loved ones, who planned a wedding, who graduated, etc) would spread everything all over again................ These spikes will stop a day after the election. But like my GF mentioned, ........... So Covid knows not to infect protestors, just everyone else.
 

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Stay safe and shoot straight!
"But shoot only 1 round per 2 seconds, no mag dumps, no bump stocks, no more than 6 rounds in the "clip", no "assault weapons, and no high capacity "clips"....... It's for safety and the Children."
 

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Most Europeans trust their governments moser than the average American and they also have a greater sense of community responsibility.

the handful of choads on here bitching about masks are just doing so out of a juvenile, anti authority attitude. If baker had ordered them not to wear masks, they would be of the opposite opinion. They are not impressing anyone with their faux libertarian mask bashing.
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I like the picture but I still wouldn't freakin wear one if the government told us not to. Many of us can be plenty anti government but I don't think this one is related.

My girlfriend loved to shop and now dreads it, often paying someone else to get her groceries. She likes to look pretty, jokes about masquerade masks aside, masks are an ugly cover over your face and the whole thing stresses her out and horrifies her. She also feels like she can't breath, which is a mind game I think, but one she can't overcome.

Myself, I have a beard, I sweat a lot, in the summer months especially anything I put over my face is wet, it sucks, its gross. Normally walking around in public (ie walmart or anywhere) I see a few people I know and we chit chat - a mask makes that interaction so strained its basically impossible. Wearing one walking into a restaurant or bar is so unenjoyable that I simply avoid going out for that, masks make me angry.

Its not an anti authoritarian thing, sure I don't like being told to wear one, but do not act like putting something over ones face is unobtrusive and minor. For me it makes things once enjoyable a negative experience. Doing so because maybe it can help a little, when the odds are very high that I am not carrying covid mind you, isn't worth it.
 
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I wasn’t calling either one of you a liar. I was calling Wendys a liar.

His story, not mine, and I'm reaching back at least 20 years since he last told me the story, which was 20 years after it happened. Maybe he or I misrecalled some detail, but that was the gist of it.

Unrelated, I love H&K. My first "real" rifle (still have it) was an HK91.
 

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"But shoot only 1 round per 2 seconds, no mag dumps, no bump stocks, no more than 6 rounds in the "clip", no "assault weapons, and no high capacity "clips"....... It's for safety and the Children."
Ha!

Sorry, not a Fudd. I have and enjoy all the toys except bump stocks. Useless to me as I prefer real giggle switches.

Having mostly lived in free states, I’m amazing at the price of used pre-ban crap on here. I guess I was a hoarder before hoarding was a thing. I’d make a mint selling my old crap.
 

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Maybe, maybe not. Point being the people responsible for communicating the message have done nothing but lie along the way to serve a particular agenda.
Who would you believe right now, about anything Covid 19 related things? Anyone in the medical or scientific field? A politician? TV or online personality?
 
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