Those magazines are obnoxious big.
I like the 9mm over the .40 for one reason only. Well, two I guess. One, I like my followup shots with most 9's better. Two, .40 was specifically designed for woman and for girly men.
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Caliber debate from a different perspective, thoughts?
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Those magazines are obnoxious big.
I like the 9mm over the .40 for one reason only. Well, two I guess. One, I like my followup shots with most 9's better. Two, .40 was specifically designed for woman and for girly men.
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The difference between handgun rounds is negligible compared to the difference between handgun and rifle rounds, generally speaking. Relative to a typical rifle round, handgun rounds are all as equally ineffective. The only reason to carry a handgun is because a rifle is to big and bulky to conceal.
ThisX1^. 8 or 14 rounds? Most self defense shootings are over in a few rounds. Are you carrying for self defense or a shootout at the OK corral?
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DemonChronicles
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....40 was specifically designed for woman and for girly men.
9mm was designed by euro weenies with limp wrists, no balls, and a lisp.
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Here is a hot .40:
Built to the tightest tolerances for peak performance rivaling and sometimes surpassing handloads in many guns. This ammunition is new production, non-corrosive, in boxer primed, reloadable brass cases.
Technical Information
- Caliber: 40 S&W
- Bullet Weight: 135 Grains
- Bullet Style: Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point
- Case Type: Brass
Ballistics Information: - Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
- Muzzle Energy: 675 ft. lbs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Interesting lecture on the ops subject.
Interesting lecture on the ops subject.
Lank
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i agree, thats why a simple 38 j frame works for my ccw. im not carrying an offense gun
Big Daddy 45acp
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This is nice...
Yes it is. If the bullet misses, the fireball will fry the perp. One of my preferred carry guns.
My glock 26 is 22+1
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I actually do carry the 22 round mag as a backup, but this was just a joke of how stupid large the m&p 14 round 45 mags are....
Yes it was getting silly.
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These threads always make me laugh..
I'm willing to bet most of the people arguing which round is "better" have never killed anything with a fire arm in REAL LIFE! Ballistics gel doesn't mean diddly, live targets have skin/fur, clothing, fat, and bones, that being said, all modern calibers are adequate.
I hunt almost everyday during the season and get to see firsthand what firearms can do. Duck hunting for example has a wide variety of hull length, powder capacity, shot size, shot shape, shot density, shot capacity, and velocity. And with out getting in to specifics I will tell you they all work. Some at further distances than others, but within a reasonable range they all work the same. For ducks I use steel #4, and find it kills ducks just as well as #2. It has way more to do with where you hit the bird then it does shot size. You want to drop something dead where it stands/flys, shoot it in the head or neck. I've shot birds straight in the chest with tungsten, only to have them fly off and drop 200 yards down the river. A vital hit isn't always a stopping hit. The same is with deer hunting, you don't need a .30 caliber round to kill, just a well placed shot. In Europe, the most popular non belted magnum round is the 6.5 Swedish, and kills plenty of moose every year efficiently. Here in the USA people use the .243 and harvest just as many deer as people using .30 cal offerings.
The same can be said for human targets. All bullets create trauma, but that is not what kills something immediately, although more trauma means a bigger wound, which translates to blood loss, but it could take a day to bleed out. Shoot someone in the head with a 9 they'll be the same amount of dead as with .45.
I'm willing to bet most of the people arguing which round is "better" have never killed anything with a fire arm in REAL LIFE! Ballistics gel doesn't mean diddly, live targets have skin/fur, clothing, fat, and bones, that being said, all modern calibers are adequate.
I hunt almost everyday during the season and get to see firsthand what firearms can do. Duck hunting for example has a wide variety of hull length, powder capacity, shot size, shot shape, shot density, shot capacity, and velocity. And with out getting in to specifics I will tell you they all work. Some at further distances than others, but within a reasonable range they all work the same. For ducks I use steel #4, and find it kills ducks just as well as #2. It has way more to do with where you hit the bird then it does shot size. You want to drop something dead where it stands/flys, shoot it in the head or neck. I've shot birds straight in the chest with tungsten, only to have them fly off and drop 200 yards down the river. A vital hit isn't always a stopping hit. The same is with deer hunting, you don't need a .30 caliber round to kill, just a well placed shot. In Europe, the most popular non belted magnum round is the 6.5 Swedish, and kills plenty of moose every year efficiently. Here in the USA people use the .243 and harvest just as many deer as people using .30 cal offerings.
The same can be said for human targets. All bullets create trauma, but that is not what kills something immediately, although more trauma means a bigger wound, which translates to blood loss, but it could take a day to bleed out. Shoot someone in the head with a 9 they'll be the same amount of dead as with .45.
Stop, STOP!!!!! That is far to much logic for a "which caliber is better" thread
I wasn't asking about terminal effects... I was stating that I hear a lot of 9mm or 45, 40 gap is fillled by 9+P+ now. My point was I think in reality the .40 and .45 are more similar than the 9mm and the .40
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But, you are. With some exceptions most handgun rounds are equally ineffective in causing the physical trauma necessary to incapacitate an assailant. By far, most victims shot by handguns survive the injury.
Speaking specifically in regards to the video in the link I posted, the doctor speaks about the equality in trauma between the 9mm and the 45 ACP. Based on the results of his study it can be concluded that these handgun rounds can be considered equally effective, or equally ineffective, depending on how you look at it.
In a handgun, to a certain extent, I choose capacity over caliber.
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http://www.theboxotruth.com/index.html
This website shows various tests using various rounds/guns firing into/through various objects. Some may argue that these aren't exactly the most scientific tests or that they don't provide completely conclusive results, they are certainly far better than relying on the imagination.
paracarry
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I carry all three calibers just not all at once. I never feel less protected with a 9mm, or invincible when I carry a .45. When it comes to shooting in self defense, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.
paracarry beat me to it...... I carry all 3. Mostly 2 at a time though. Just depends on my mood at the time I am deciding which 2 to carry. My .40 Shield is really no different shooting than my Taurus Mil Pro .45, and my slim 709 doesn't have that much less "kick".
Police carried 6 shot revolvers for years and so did a lot of us. It is a defense gun not gang war gun.
The military also had muskets.
Times change, technology allows for more advantages and fewer drawbacks with new firearms as well as everything else.
I'm not saying its wrong to carry a J frame (its on my list), but someone carrying a gun with 12-17+1 is doing nothing wrong either.
Mike
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