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CA teacher fired for rant on military
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Garys
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MA has more than it's fair share of left wing moron teachers, no need to import them. Reportedly, he also smacked a kid in the back of the head at some time. If so, then it's a non starter.
A lot of cowards in that town, for sure.
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Political Correctness run amok.
Teachers don’t lose their 1A rights at the schoolhouse door. With that said, you’re right; the Pickering test does provide limitations and restrictions on teacher speech, and I think a good argument can be made that this isn’t protected. But he can make just as good an argument that it is.
I absolutely agree that he’s spewing garbage. And I also try to keep politics out of my own classroom, both left and right: my students deserve balance, which this teacher didn’t provide.
But as a general rule I hate free-speech infringement.
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Teachers in MA know that any pro-gun comments will prevent them from getting professional status (newspeak for tenure, but with the time required reduced to 3 years .... unions will no doubt eventually get that changed to 30 days on the job) and, if they have tenure, can still put their job at risk.
A teachers job is to teach, correct? That doesn’t sound like teaching. It wasn’t an objective based opinion for the purpose of generating a critical discussion. It was just a teacher talking crap and belittling an entire group of people. It served no purpose. It didn’t teach anything. And has no place in a learning environment you are suppose to be leading.
Sounds like he was fired for being a crappy disrespectful teacher. That’s not a free speech infringement.
Sounds like he was fired for being a crappy disrespectful teacher. That’s not a free speech infringement.
Jason Flare
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I hope the kids learned something.
As a general rule, I agree.
A teacher in front of a class is in a position of authority over the class. In a public school that is a position of government authority. What that teacher did was an abuse of his position of government authority that fails the Garcetti test. There is also a case to be made that it fails on time, place, and manner.
You can already see where he’s going to try to go: he was merely trying to encourage them to aim for college, and unfortunately he became overzealous and said some unfortunate things, but see, doesn’t that just show how passionate he is about inspiring his students to aim higher?
Yada yada.
In my experience, modern high schoolers tend to be cynical and can usually see through these kinds of teachers. Case in point: they filmed him. The kids knew this was out of bounds, and that’s a good thing.
Yada yada.
In my experience, modern high schoolers tend to be cynical and can usually see through these kinds of teachers. Case in point: they filmed him. The kids knew this was out of bounds, and that’s a good thing.
Jason Flare
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From the US Supreme Court on Garcetti:
The Court also reserved for a future decision the issue of whether its analysis would apply in the same manner to a case involving speech related to scholarship or teaching.
fencer
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Moron. As an educator, he should be smart enough to realize that his every word and action might be being recorded while he is in school. He may be correct in that I am no intellectual or academic, and just an old jarhead, but I am not the dumbass that got out flanked by a teenager with an iphone.
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