ToddDubya
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CA microstamping law takes effect immediately
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Good points John. I believe that we will be soon to follow if this isn't defeated.
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Todd, no need to fix that, as I'm sure, like always there WILL be a LEO exemption built in since some of us are more equal than others...
June4th
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Then any non-stamped brass at a murder scene would have to be fired out of a LEO gun!!! Defensive lawyers are going to have fun with reasonable doubt in courts all over CA. Tis gonna be fun.
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yep, no matter how you look at it, it will be a train wreck!![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
I agree with John (Remsport) though, this is not something that these people are too stupid to realize themselves, they don't care about these silly details we are discussing because none of that even matters when there ultimate goal is to stop sales of new firearms. Incremental gun control through attrition is the ultimate angle here, and with the ammo tax,, they will eventually reach their goal for the most part within a generation.
Here is a patent that deals with microstamping (though I'm not sure if this is THE patent mentioned in the article).
The claims in this one talk about imprinting the shell casing:
US 6,886,284 (skip to the last 2 pages...columns 27-30 for the "more important stuff")
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=www.google.com/patents/US6886284.pdf
The claims in this one talk about imprinting the shell casing:
US 6,886,284 (skip to the last 2 pages...columns 27-30 for the "more important stuff")
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=www.google.com/patents/US6886284.pdf
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Yeah, none of that is actually going to work...
I'm not an engineer but that device looks big. On the plus side it might help with felt recoil!
There's even a patent on barcoding/encoding a bullet:
"...etching said encoded data into said bore of said firearm, transferring said encoded data from said bore to a surface of a bullet upon firing said bullet from said firearm,..."
US 6,462,302
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=www.google.com/patents/US6462302.pdf
Yeah, I have seen that. What I haven't seen is the ability to make it actually feasible in a mass production setting.
Sorry, but "use a fricken laser" doesn't answer all questions despite what the patent holders claim. Just because a patent is issued does not reflect AT ALL on its feasibility. There are literally perpetual motion machines patented.
Hmm I don't like that dude, and I have the shells he left, maybe ill frame him for murder! Lol
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http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/infobuls/2013-BOF-03.pdf
Seeing that firing pins go back and forth, and the rim usually has a stamp on it, where would this new stamp go? A secondary firing pin with the sole purpose of tagging the rim? And reloaded cases would start to have multiple hits, stamps, ejector pin scores, etc....retards making rules, nothing less.
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I was thinking along the same lines, but lets not help them solve their problems with ideas that actually could work...
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It would still be unreliable...
Here's a strip of jerky to gnaw on when a micro-serial number is "difficult" to read because of imperfections on the brass, wear on the imprint, poor/uneven "strike":
What do you think happens when they get:
"G17x941" where "x" is the character they cannot read...
Or they read "G" as "6"???
It's a good guess they aren't going to throw their hands in the air and say, "welp, we aren't 100% certain, so let's not bother doing anything with that..." Rather they will go "talk to" the owners of 10 guns... The burden of proof has now shifted to you despite ZERO involvement with the crime.
That's assuming that the case was there as a result of being fired rather than "seeded" by the perp.
Then there is the issue that the case will not trace back to the perp, but the last registered owner.
As others have said, the purpose of this is to stop sales of new guns, PERIOD. Everything else they say is a flat out lie. Like so many aspects of the gun debate these days.
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JuergenG
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I just thought of another way this could fail out side of the other million ways, like no mater how they stamp it, the part will ware out and not stamp correctly, and any part they use to stamp it could be easly altered to not stamp at all, or bad guys will just collect rounds and seed crime scenes or just use revolvers
So my next thought here is what if you temporarily altered the gun to not stamp correctly or not at all, like change of the firing pin or put a buffer between the stamp and the round so it cant print a number,
Then after put it all back to normal and if the police come knocking your gun looks and operates perfectly and dose not match the casings at the crime scene,
So my next thought here is what if you temporarily altered the gun to not stamp correctly or not at all, like change of the firing pin or put a buffer between the stamp and the round so it cant print a number,
Then after put it all back to normal and if the police come knocking your gun looks and operates perfectly and dose not match the casings at the crime scene,
zork51
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California Passes Sweeping Gun Control: $50 Ammo Permit Fee, No Detachable Magazines or Mags over 10 rounds
Here's the whole list of what they just passed. My friend sent me this tonight. It's from 5/31
You'll have to copy and paste into your browser
All I can say is be on guard with your local reps.
Here's the whole list of what they just passed. My friend sent me this tonight. It's from 5/31
You'll have to copy and paste into your browser
All I can say is be on guard with your local reps.
Can you imagine the epic cluster F*** if someone tossed a bunch of mixed range brass around a crime scene?
Next thing you know 8 people get a late night "visit" from the boys with a no knock.
Ya that will end well.
We all know that CA's finest have a long history of calm restraint.
Next thing you know 8 people get a late night "visit" from the boys with a no knock.
Ya that will end well.
We all know that CA's finest have a long history of calm restraint.
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For the most part, I agree, but I love the food out there. Better selection.
The problem is that most Californians are very willing to trade liberty for safety. I lived through the LA riots. You should have seen the willingness to stay inside and let the police take care of the issue. The Koreans were the only ones willing to stand up for themselves and defend what was theirs. Pretty damn sad state of affairs.
beaker
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That is the point of this full, nuclear retard law. I am sure all of the criminals will be bringing their guns in to get them upgraded... California is where the progressives want to take the whole country, it is frightening on so many levels.
It damn well better. This not-so-welled defacto ban on smei-automatic pistols is garbage. Whoever thought this one up and managed to ram it through without anyone stopping and thinking about it for thirty seconds is a shyster thief.
