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Buying Legal Pot Will Get You On The Federal Database
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caboose84
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MMJ cards are issued on a state by state basis, and they aren’t recognized by other states. An out of state card holder can’t come to Colorado and buy MMJ, theyd have to buy recreational weed and pay the higher tax rate. So I suspect FUD on the Missouri story...
Well, you can buy them stateside. No need for customs, mail order. But, look for reputable vendors.
Or, you can look up a "freedom rally" and buy from a seed/clone vendor directly. There are several regular events around this region. Prices range from $1-$15 per seed depending on the brand / strain. Sometimes you can get them for free, too.
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Once this ramps up into the billions $$$ per year, they’ll probably criminalize (or won’t decriminalize) growing your own once that threatens the profits of the “legal” sources and they lose tax revenues. Don’t for a second forget this is all about ripping off the public for every red cent. Try opening up your own casino in your basement, see how that works out.
Most people won't grow their own, that's effectively like reloading. Most people are too lazy to do that stuff. Also most states when they decrimed that was one of the first things that they allowed alongside medical, so it's going to be difficult for them to put that toothpaste back into the tube. Statistically speaking those people are noise anyways compared to the overall base of weed users. In an extended circle of family and friends I
know a total of ONE household that grows their own, and that's literally only because they have an extra room in their house for it and the dude's wife doesn't work and doesn't have small children.
IMHO a lot of the states are dumb WRT taxing recreational, by putting in high, fixed tax rates they have no ability to tamp down the black market, and it'll still be there as long as the demand for cheaper product
exists. Some guy on an FB page im on posted his weed receipt from yesterday from MA.... in between state and local weed taxes, it was 25%+. That's a lot of margin for the black market to play with.
-Mike
Yup, according to articles an OZ. of legal weed is $400.0, GF's sister has a friend that charges $150.00.
yeah it's better when they're drunk
The state and LE are not scanning. Stores buy scanners to check IDs. Those scanners save the scanned information. That information is not fed into a state or LE database. However, if the information is stored, a LE with a warrant could obtain it.
this...AND it asks if YOU are an unlawful user. Maybe I go into the store and buy pot for someone else of legal age which I'm not aware there's any law against.
And yeah, ARE implies present....Maybe I smoked pot yesterday but quit this morning and AM no longer a user. Really, the form is asking me if I identify as a user and if Bruce Jenner can bolt on some tits and identify as a broad then I see no reason I can't identify as someone who doesn't use pot.
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"Organic" is not necessarily safer with, perhaps, an exception to pesticides/fungicides. Which is where many of the safety concerns lay.
Pretty much any type of labeled pesticides are administratively banned by MA unless it is specifically approved for use on such crop by the feds. And, as you can imagine, the feds aren't looking to approve labeled use for a prohibited crop.
“Currently, EPA does not allow the use of a registered pesticide on marijuana or hemp,” according to a letter dated April 30 from Mr. Lebeaux, “Because of this, the use of pesticides on marijuana or hemp is prohibited in Massachusetts.”
It's probably a good thing but it would cause production costs to increase by a significant amount. You are now talking about highly controlled "clean room" environments and the use of beneficial predator insects. Whether an outright ban is a good thing is a matter of perspective. Add other regulatory costs, taxes, reduced production potential due to pests/disease, government uncertainty = expensive.
Don't know about beneficial insects But yes on "Clean room" type conditions. All medical stuff is grown indoors here in NE.
For $, one major cost is electricity, big $ light source and the other for AC to cool all that heat generated by the Lights.
I know one place burning 3000amps @ 480V which is 2.5meg watts every hour. which is 60 MWH per day at say $200/MWH = $12,000/day
I guess I don't know your definition of "street weed" but not fact. Other than using the "regulated" terminology. Instead, it's a reasonable assumption to make re: pesticides if you are buying "brick weed" on the street corner as an uneducated consumer. FWIW, not everything is coming from south of the border, either.
So, drawing my own conclusions, I'm guessing that you don't believe there are folk "on the street" that are sufficiently experienced to grow something that couldn't compete in safety and quality with the regulated market? And, that the "regulated market" types, who are competing in price with the black market, don't game the system with their small lab tested sample size? And, that "regulated" by government bureaucrats naturally will produce good results?
Think about black killy things for a moment and how much good comes from over regulating those. Or, how about brewing you own beer? There is no way that street beer could compete with the breweries in quality.
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The 2011 BATFE open letter uses the term "recent use or possession", but does not define "recent". Several states do have their own regulations prohibiting purchase by medical cardholders not just while the MMJ card is active, but for one year after expiration.
Pot shops pull down $440,011 on opening day
includes 17% state + 3% local tax.
Looks like the next retailers are likely in Wareham, Salem and Easthampton, according to their google map -
Status of Recreational Marijuana Dispensaries in Mass. - Google My Maps
And Fitchburg will be making some weird sh*t by the end of the year, according to the CCC:
a. Mints; b. Chocolate bars; c. Lozenges; d. Cookies; e. Brownies; f. Cakes; g. Cake pops; h. Popcorn; i. Pretzels; j. Chips; k. Corn puffs; l. Tinctures; m. Oils; n. Waxes; o. Butters; p. Topical creams; and q. Honey.
I highly doubt the stores in select states are going to enter every single person's ID into a federal database. I can see medically it being somehow traced back, but purchasing a legal product in the state you live in and your info being taken from you and put into a Federal database just so the FEDS can run a check and cross reference the lists next time you fill out a 4473 and deny you? The same FBI who can't get off their ass an act on REAL tips from foreign intelligence agencies about REAL terror activity. Sounds a bit loony to me. And I'm all for a good conspiracy theory.
Is this the same paranoia when you buy ammo from a big box store and everyone panics they enter your ID when in reality if you watch and count the numbers they enter your DOB.
Is this the same paranoia when you buy ammo from a big box store and everyone panics they enter your ID when in reality if you watch and count the numbers they enter your DOB.
SKumar
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Yesterday I had a patient come in for MMJ certification. Before I registered him, he asked me if he would be ok even he has a gun permit. I pulled him aside and reminded him that it's still federally illegal. He lives in Peabody and said unrestricted renewals are easy. He convinced himself that he would be ok. Great guy. All my patients that are gun owners are awesome people.
In the vast majority of the nation there are no ID requirements for purchasing ammo. So yeah Im sure the FBI focused its resources and pressured Walmart to stop selling ammo in urban areas to gang bangers when they are not violating any federal laws. The same people bypass the store all together and could order a truckload of ammo online and have it sent directly to them. Your argument makes no sense. I have never had an ID entered into any system or data base for purchasing any legal product. (other than a gun)
this whole post was about the paranoia of states that have legal weed entering government issue ID information into a Federal data base to prevent/prohibit gun owners from buying guns in the future.
AHM
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Normally people have to ask police officers or customers loitering in gun shops to get legal advice which is that outstanding.
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They sell suppositories. It's a way for some stoners to get high because the THC enters the blood through the thin membrane in the rectum. <No Homo>
Here is a link:
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FrugalFannie
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if you eat "conventionally grown" food you are eating all that same stuff - pesticides, metals, etc.
FrugalFannie
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Commercial growers (farmers) spray chemicals all over their products NOW! Do you really think they aren't going to spray marijuana with the same shit?
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