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so say i buy a timber wolf frame and a new slide and barrel how do i register the gun in MA? do i have to?
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so if i purchase a tw frame in a private sale a fa10 is needed
the frame is considered the firearm in ma. therefore it needs to be transferred via ffl. You may have a hard time finding an ffl to transfer one in for you. If you could get one you would merely fill out an fa10 check the box that says registration and leave the sellers info blank. this is my opinion...I am not a lawyer... I did stay at a holiday inn last night though...
the frame is considered the firearm in ma. therefore it needs to be transferred via ffl. You may have a hard time finding an ffl to transfer one in for you. If you could get one you would merely fill out an fa10 check the box that says registration and leave the sellers info blank. this is my opinion...I am not a lawyer... I did stay at a holiday inn last night though...
If your getting it FTF, chances are that is was registered as a shootable firearm, and will require a completed fa10.
.....what if you strip a frame and then sell it. Is it still a firearm? Per MA law??
Not according to a strict reading of the definition in the MGL, though I'm sure that certain people would attempt to apply the "once a X, always an X" paradigm despite a lack of legal basis with which to do so. (Hasn't stopped them before.)
Please clarify. Are you saying based on your opinion that even a bare frame is considered a firearm, or that once a firearm, always a firearm.
MGL Chapter 140 Section 121 said:“Firearm”, a pistol, revolver or other weapon of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which a shot or bullet can be discharged and of which the length of the barrel or barrels is less than 16 inches or 18 inches in the case of a shotgun as originally manufactured; provided, however, that the term firearm shall not include any weapon that is: (i) constructed in a shape that does not resemble a handgun, short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun including, but not limited to, covert weapons that resemble key-chains, pens, cigarette-lighters or cigarette-packages; or (ii) not detectable as a weapon or potential weapon by x-ray machines commonly used at airports or walk- through metal detectors.
Let's say, I buy a timber wolf frame, build it up, and send in a FA10, checked registration, the gun is in the DB with the S/N, "registered" to me.
Later, I sell off the frame only, somehow, loose my LTC, and my guns are confiscated. What happens to the serialized frame, that was sold with no FA10?
If you bought the frame, a dealer issued an FA-10, then you sold the frame without having registered it as a functioning firearm that would be fine.
MGL Chapter 140 Section 128a said:Section 128A. The provisions of section one hundred and twenty-eight shall not apply to any person who, without being licensed as provided in section one hundred and twenty-two, sells or transfers a firearm, rifle or shotgun to a person licensed under said section one hundred and twenty-two, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer or to a federal, state or local historical society, museum or institutional collection open to the public. The provisions of section one hundred and twenty-eight shall not apply to any resident of the commonwealth who, without being licensed as provided in section one hundred and twenty-two, sells or transfers to other than a federally licensed firearms dealer or organization named above not more than four firearms, including rifles and shotguns in any one calendar year; provided, however, that the seller has a firearm identification card or a license to carry firearms, is an exempt person under the conditions of clauses (n), (o), (r) and (s) of the fourth paragraph of section one hundred and twenty-nine C, or is permitted to transfer ownership under the conditions of section one hundred and twenty-nine D and the purchaser has, in the case of sale or transfer of a firearm, a permit to purchase issued under the provisions of section one hundred and thirty-one A and a firearm identification card issued under section one hundred and twenty-nine B, or has such permit to purchase and is an exempt person under the provisions of section one hundred and twenty-nine C, or has been issued a license to carry firearms under the provisions of section one hundred and thirty, or in the case of sale or transfer of a rifle or shotgun, the purchaser has a firearm identification card or a license to carry firearms or is an exempt person as hereinbefore stated; and provided, further, that such resident reports within seven days, in writing to the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services on forms furnished by said executive director, the names and addresses of the seller and the purchaser of any such large capacity feeding device, firearm, rifle or shotgun, together with a complete description of the firearm, rifle or shotgun, including its designation as a large capacity weapon, if applicable, the calibre, make and serial number and the purchaser’s license to carry firearms number, permit to purchase number and identifying number of such documentation as is used to establish exempt person status in the case of a firearm or the purchaser’s license to carry number or firearm identification card number or said document identity number, in the case of a rifle or shotgun.
Again just to settle this debate - it was previously a built up firearm sold as a complete gun. A new frame is now being used (also transferred via FA-10).
The now unused frame is being sold FTF on a FA-10. Regardless of it leaving as a non-functioning firearm it is not leaving without being transferred to the new owner through an FA-10.
Are you the guy selling the frame to the OP?
That's the truth. And since I got it as a complete gun its registered to me. I am not selling the frame to the new owner (regardless of function) without it being transferred to him also. That will be done via FA-10.
Nothing wrong with being overly cautious in this state, despite (or perhaps because of) the confusing laws. Your sale, your rules.
Again just to settle this debate - it was previously a built up firearm sold as a complete gun. A new frame is now being used (also transferred via FA-10).
The now unused frame is being sold FTF on a FA-10. Regardless of it leaving as a non-functioning firearm it is not leaving without being transferred to the new owner through an FA-10.
You bring up a good question. A new frame is not a Firearm per MA law.
But what if you strip a frame and then sell it. Is it still a firearm? Per MA law?
pacman - you are stating how you choose to do things. And thats fine. A very conservative approach is favored by some.
But thats not the law. The law is very clear: “Firearm”, a pistol, revolver or other weapon of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which a shot or bullet can be discharged
JASONS - you and I are on exactly the same page on everything. Thanks for the clarification. The law is pretty black and white.
pacman - you are stating how you choose to do things. And thats fine. A very conservative approach is favored by some.
But thats not the law. The law is very clear: “Firearm”, a pistol, revolver or other weapon of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which a shot or bullet can be discharged
I just want to be clear for the sake of this argument. MA recognizes the frame as the firearm because it has already been registered as such.
I disagree.
Citation please?