Bugging in

Don't forget the toilet paper and diapers & formula for the little ones, and water filters. I've got two 50 BMG cans full of buck, another one of slugs. I'd like a couple (more) 12 ga mag fed semi auto shotguns. I'm looking for land in northern NH, between 20 and 50 acres now.
Come on up to Coös County, we'd be glad to have ya. I just got back to the Communistwealth, it was beautiful up there today. I hope to be a full time resident soon.
 
If your that worried about it, why dont you just move? I swear some of the people that come on prepper forums to talk about this stuff are dreamers. Its their fantasies of what they want to do, but dont. They want to hear what other people have to say. If you were really prepping you wouldn't be sharing this information anyplace.
I agree about the "dreamer" theory. I know plenty of em. It's like they want something to happen lol.

I actually know a guy that left for his "cabbin" early spring 2020 "cuz covid". Shut his personal business down.....he and the wife left for the bug out location cuz he said the pandemic was gonna kill 50 percent of the population.😂

He was back home in 10 days 😁.
 
A nuclear EMP means that ... all water, local crops, hunting and fishing will be contaminated
Yeah, no.

An EMP attack is an airburst at least a couple of dozen miles up in the sky.

The power grid in the US ... if it were to go down, ... it would take a very long time to come back. ... and Framingham is not on the top of the list for priority.
Don't tell these guys that.
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... you need to let all this go. What you are imagining is not going to happen and if it did the survivors are not going to be in Framingham.
Because guess what's gonna get pounded with a ground burst...
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Meh, don't listen to the naysayers. You'll be fine as long as you never need to sleep.
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Yeah, no.

An EMP attack is an airburst at least a couple of dozen miles up in the sky.


Don't tell these guys that.
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LOL yea, I've been in that bunker before, it was one of the first times in my life I realized..."Oh gosh these guys really don't have a pan for anything" At least not a plan that will help any, save a few at the very very top.
 
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LOL yea, I've been in that bunker before, it was one of the first time is my life I realized..."Oh gosh these guys really don't have a pan for anything" At least not a plan that will help any, save a few at the very very top.

Our governments (Federal and State) have proven time and time again that they do not have a plan for everyone when the shit really hits the fan. Something like an EMP, asteroid strike, etc. and people in the upper levels of government would be in their bunkers nice and cozy with everyone else left to fend for themselves.
 
Our governments (Federal and State) have proven time and time again that they do not have a plan for everyone when the shit really hits the fan. Something like an EMP, asteroid strike, etc. and people in the upper levels of government would be in their bunkers nice and cozy with everyone else left to fend for themselves.

There are some scenarios which are so widespread and extreme that even almost all First Responders would be affected and hence unable to assist anyone else.
 
You're way too deep down the rabbit hole imho. That's a big budget for a family with two young kids. Unless you're very successful there have to be far better ways to scratch that prepping itch right now.

There's a tremendous amount of doom porn out there and I understand how seductive it can be. The reality is the full SHTF WROL scenario you're planning for is very, very unlikely. My honest advice is you should dial it back a bit. Start by planning for a 30 day power outage. That is something that is well within almost any homeowner's reach. Also, you can buy useful Russian Gen 1 night vision on Amazon now for a little over a hundred bucks.

A word about EMPs. A nuclear EMP attack would definitely affect the power grid to some extent for the simple reason the grid is composed of very long conductors (wires). The voltage induced in a conductor subjected to an EMP is a linear function of the length of the conductor. So, with long wires you can get big induced voltages. But with something like a cell phone? Unless you are right under the burst, and possibly not even then, your cell phone will be undamaged as the voltages induced within the cell phone will be very, very small. Same with cars. Most cars and electronic devices would still work following an EMP attack.

Also, with an EMP distance from the burst is your friend as the field strength of the EMP is governed by an inverse square law and falls rapidly with distance to the burst. So...double the distance, one quarter the field strength. EMPs are not the invincible boogeyman they are sometimes made out to be.

Last but not least, unless you lighten up your wife will likely eventually leave you.

Sure, an EMP has a relatively small footprint of affected area and An EMP may not affect your cell phone directly, but cell phones are not an independent point to point device. They require a computerized repeater tower to process your phonecall and data stream. If an EMP knocks out the power grid and all those cell towers, you might as well throw your cell phone in the nearest trash can because it will be useless.

Secondly, if multiple EMPs were to hit the power grid at multiple generation sources, the farther out regions will ALL be out of power. The entire system would most likely shut down because there would not be sufficient power being generated to fulfill the load management when the grid starts shifting loads......too much draw, not enough capacity in the system.

EMP IS a very big problem if strategically placed.......and don't think for a minute that they couldn't be. The entire system would go down in the blink of an eye.
 
Sure, an EMP has a relatively small footprint of affected area and An EMP may not affect your cell phone directly, but cell phones are not an independent point to point device. They require a computerized repeater tower to process your phonecall and data stream. If an EMP knocks out the power grid and all those cell towers, you might as well throw your cell phone in the nearest trash can because it will be useless.

Secondly, if multiple EMPs were to hit the power grid at multiple generation sources, the farther out regions will ALL be out of power. The entire system would most likely shut down because there would not be sufficient power being generated to fulfill the load management when the grid starts shifting loads......too much draw, not enough capacity in the system.

EMP IS a very big problem if strategically placed.......and don't think for a minute that they couldn't be. The entire system would go down in the blink of an eye.
We saw that in Texas last year with the ice storm/cold snap. The effects were felt way beyond the damaged area.
 
Sure, an EMP has a relatively small footprint of affected area and An EMP may not affect your cell phone directly, but cell phones are not an independent point to point device. They require a computerized repeater tower to process your phonecall and data stream. If an EMP knocks out the power grid and all those cell towers, you might as well throw your cell phone in the nearest trash can because it will be useless.

Secondly, if multiple EMPs were to hit the power grid at multiple generation sources, the farther out regions will ALL be out of power. The entire system would most likely shut down because there would not be sufficient power being generated to fulfill the load management when the grid starts shifting loads......too much draw, not enough capacity in the system.

EMP IS a very big problem if strategically placed.......and don't think for a minute that they couldn't be. The entire system would go down in the blink of an eye.

I agree 100%. The point I was making was Faraday Bags for cell phones are not necessary for the cell phone to survive an EMP attack. Pointless too, as you pointed out.
 
I would say its not so much a question of what gets wiped out or not, its who is going to keep the maintenance or the up keep on Eqp like cell towers/comm centers, generators/hydro plants, roads/plowing, tree/power crews and so on.

Are you going to venture out or away from your cache to do a maint job? Then why would expect the guy that is supposed to do that job do go and do it.

Cell towers ( and ive been on hundreds of them across NE ) need Fiber lines, those same fiber lines run along every major road way, one down tree, one car wreck into a pole and now that line goes down along with that fiber link, very few towers rely on microwave to move signals.

Yes the Feds have there very own cell service and some of it is on a microwave, but mostly it is like any other cell service, it uses fiber lines. Drive under a bridge that runs along a major highway in or out of a city ( or wherever really ), look up you will see grey looking tubes, those contain fiber lines for high speed comms, cell, internet, phone and so on, those get cut you loose that fiber nothing moves that signal.
 
I would say its not so much a question of what gets wiped out or not, its who is going to keep the maintenance or the up keep on Eqp like cell towers/comm centers, generators/hydro plants, roads/plowing, tree/power crews and so on.

Are you going to venture out or away from your cache to do a maint job? Then why would expect the guy that is supposed to do that job do go and do it.

Cell towers ( and ive been on hundreds of them across NE ) need Fiber lines, those same fiber lines run along every major road way, one down tree, one car wreck into a pole and now that line goes down along with that fiber link, very few towers rely on microwave to move signals.

Yes the Feds have there very own cell service and some of it is on a microwave, but mostly it is like any other cell service, it uses fiber lines. Drive under a bridge that runs along a major highway in or out of a city ( or wherever really ), look up you will see grey looking tubes, those contain fiber lines for high speed comms, cell, internet, phone and so on, those get cut you loose that fiber nothing moves that signal.
And this is why I still don't understand our reliance on poles.

We already dig in our sewer and water. At any time in the last hundred years we could have run similar conduits for power and comms.

Would that be a panacea? Of course not. But, it would harden all that infrastructure against so many common threats. Especially in cities, it just doesn't make sense to me.
 
And this is why I still don't understand our reliance on poles.

We already dig in our sewer and water. At any time in the last hundred years we could have run similar conduits for power and comms.

Would that be a panacea? Of course not. But, it would harden all that infrastructure against so many common threats. Especially in cities, it just doesn't make sense to me.
It's because you have to spend money to save money.

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Intellectually, broadband companies agree that it's stupid
to have "redundant" lines running through the same conduit
because one errant swipe by a backhoe digging a shallow grave,
and all the parallel links are gone.

It's possible that for some media the more cost-effective approach
is to overbuild the system by adding redundant links over new paths -
even if they're using the less reliable above-ground media.

Then one tree falling will only kill service between sites with no redundant connections -
probably just the Last Mile. Meanwhile the money has been invested in
redundancy and throughput rather than digging ditches to avoid ghost trees.


Another possibility is to only bury the fiber between pairs of poles
after it's taken out by a tree.

This is the same policy used around Knoxville to keep cars from hitting utility poles:

Every time a car hits a pole, they move it further away from the road.

A few poles even get moved 2-3 times.

But they only spend money on the poles in demonstrably risky spots,
and they don't spend money moving poles that have never been hit,
and may never be hit.
 
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