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Doing the best I can with prepping for a worst case scenario with perpetual power outage, no water and no natural gas pressure. (ie EMP).
I guess my question is .... at what point do you just say “I’m going to be dead anyway due to the serial killing psychopaths roaming around” and stop?

Love to hear the thinking of folks here. keep going or stop/give up?
 
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Like anyone you make the best of what you have in the area you live in, sounds like you got past the basics and are looking more towards longer term. Who can say, I live 60 miles west of you, Springfield to the west, Worc to the east Hartford south, a few towns over is a very "dependent on .Gov cheese" town. But with plenty of like mined people I have formed a decent buffer from "outsiders", but how long can that last is any ones guess.

One bottle of gas and match can end it all, for anyone of us. Plus with several Nuke plants that we all live upwind from if it really was to go dark then how long can I live a hundred miles upwind from a melted down reactor??? I will do what I can given the area I live in, I do know for a fact no one (even me) is willing to let a few hundred "outsiders" pass threw there boarders and set up a camps in town.
Even if you had/have a bug out location will it be occupied by someone else or raided by passing crowds, or just impossible to get to.

In the end all you can do is be ready, find like minded people and hope you never have to sleep back to back cause in the end a hungry belly is what it really come down to, ya cant reason with hunger.
 
For people planning on bugging in, that live in a community with municipal sewerage, you should try and find out how close you are to a sewerage pumping station.
I would imagine a city like Framingham would have about a dozen pumping stations.
I think any area around those stations would be uninhabitable in a lengthy power outage of several months or more.
In this scenario, the water supply would also probably stop functioning, but that wouldn't stop the majority of people from gathering water from streams and ponds so that they could continue using their toilets.
 
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Fire extinguishers or a residential fire suppression system, and I mean large commercial ones because one moltov cocktail will burn your house down. Also, what jack said about the buck shot, lots of buck shot. Also have the parts on hand and be able to cap your sewer line coming into the house because it will back up into your house in urban areas when the water treatment plants go down.
 
Since you have the basics covered, I'd consider getting out of the metro area in general. I live in Berkshire County and it's not rural enough for my liking.
Also, set yourself up a Freedom Cell, a group of 9 like minded people (households) in your area that can mobilize on short notice and be ready to address whatever threat may be next.
My thinking it's going to be a shortage of resources like Venezuela. I am making my homestead as self sufficient as possible mostly by the ability to produce and store my own food.

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safetyfirst2025 said:
I’m uphill and about 2.5 miles from the pumping station, so hopefully it’s be a long time before I back up. In an EMP scenario 90% of the population would be dead in 6 months so fewer toilets flushing after that anyway....
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I have considered a 1way check valve on my sewer line. Not for SHTF; for municipal worker stupidity. I just don’t have good access to the main sewer line as it is under the concrete floor of the basement.

Bob
 
If your that worried about it, why dont you just move? I swear some of the people that come on prepper forums to talk about this stuff are dreamers. Its their fantasies of what they want to do, but dont. They want to hear what other people have to say. If you were really prepping you wouldn't be sharing this information anyplace.
 
moojpg2 said:
Fire extinguishers or a residential fire suppression system, and I mean large commercial ones because one moltov cocktail will burn your house down. Also, what jack said about the buck shot, lots of buck shot. Also have the parts on hand and be able to cap your sewer line coming into the house because it will back up into your house in urban areas when the water treatment plants go down.
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jct61765 said:
If your that worried about it, why dont you just move? I swear some of the people that come on prepper forums to talk about this stuff are dreamers. Its their fantasies of what they want to do, but dont. They want to hear what other people have to say. If you were really prepping you wouldn't be sharing this information anyplace.
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Move where? No place will be safe from heavily armed serial killing psychopaths — those who survive beyond 5-6 months. Maybe the top of Mt Washington. Everyplace else will need to fight off hordes of heavily armed barbarian psychopaths bent on death and destruction.
 
safetyfirst2025 said:
Move where? No place will be safe from heavily armed serial killing psychopaths — those who survive beyond 5-6 months. Maybe the top of Mt Washington. Everyplace else will need to fight off hordes of heavily armed barbarian psychopaths bent on death and destruction.
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Only on play station.
 
safetyfirst2025 said:
Move where? No place will be safe from heavily armed serial killing psychopaths — those who survive beyond 5-6 months. Maybe the top of Mt Washington. Everyplace else will need to fight off hordes of heavily armed barbarian psychopaths bent on death and destruction.
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Another option, you could give up and join the psychopaths. They may be recruiting.

It appears that you have developed an elaborate (not to mention invested a lot of money) scheme to survive but are focusing on the "heavily armed serial killing psychopaths" and wnat a way to stay put and defeat them. By yourself. With a wife. And 2 very young children.

Are you sure that ALL of this is real?
 
safetyfirst2025 said:
I haven’t bought the razor wire or the 4,000 area denial caltrops yet. Otherwise it’s pretty real.

My logic is: worst case is an EMP. Prepare for surviving an EMP long term and any other scenario is probably also survivable.
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...except, as has been pointed out already, a couple of Molotovs...
 
safetyfirst2025 said:
Yeah. That’d be tough to guard against. Razor wire perimeter would keep them from walking up to the house unchallenged but could still hit the house from outside with a good arm. Only hope would be to get a shot on target before they’re thrown. If not, get a shot on target before more are thrown and to get the fire extinguishers cranking quickly. While not being shot myself.
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I've read through the thread a couple times, and I like your thinking but you've probably gone more than far enough, honestly. The bottom line is that if enough people want you dead badly enough, you're probably going to get dead. Especially on a quarter-acre.
 
Your $4500 area denial plan makes sense if you've got constant observation with multiple guns on each side of the house. You don't. Save the money.

And the fake cadavers are a bad idea, especially for $4k. That's ridiculous. They'll fool nobody for longer than a few hours. Besides, if things are that bad? You can add your own cadaver decor for free. They'll even decompose realistically.

I just really think, in looking at the price list you've posted, that the cost-benefit analysis has already been exceeded, especially since you've still got diapers to buy. Priorities...
 
.25 acres in Framingham—best guess puts you either on the south side or center of town but almost certainly south of rt 9 (I grew up in Nobscot).

Respectfully, based on the cost of the list of items to purchase you noted, perhaps deploying that capital towards of move to a new location with more land might be a strong consideration?

Edit: as the brain continues to stew on this there are likely some areas on the north side with .25 acre lots as well (campenelli ranches, etc)
 
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safetyfirst2025 said:
the survivors after 3-4 month will be the most criminally insane, serial killing heavily armed soulless psychopaths, I’m not sure I can fend that level of threat off.....There will always be a gang or psycho more cunning, vicious and determined than I can ever be.
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The likelihood of a non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse bringing down the infrastructure of Framingham is.....roughly zero the 3rd power. A nuclear EMP means that your issues extend way beyond any preparations you can make in a dense-pack city environment - not to mention that all water, local crops, hunting and fishing will be contaminated

Unless you are building an underground living complex, there is no property within the 495 belt that could be sufficiently hardened to withstand a total societal collapse. Any visible fortification is confirmation that the property offers a good rate of return on incursion

The obvious solution is to abandoned the property for a sanctuary zone; you dont necessarily need an established base camp / permanent structure, you just need to have an area that has reasonable accessibility from both primary and secondary road systems. Pick your primary (most distant) and secondary zones (on route), have weapons, food, medicine caches (graveyards make great cache sites; crypts or do a little digging) and then redirect your capital towards proper transportation

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Tim_McD said:
The likelihood of a non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse bringing down the infrastructure of Framingham is.....roughly zero the 3rd power. A nuclear EMP means that your issues extend way beyond any preparations you can make in a dense-pack city environment - not to mention that all water, local crops, hunting and fishing will be contaminate
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From an EMP standpoint yes. But from any other standpoint no. The power grid in the US is vulnerable. if it were to go down, like it did in TX it would take a very long time to come back. Maybe a year...maybe longer and Framingham is not on the top of the list for priority. Despite what the news made it look like the operators handling the TX collapse did an unbelievable job mitigating the damage. I don’t think we would be so lucky with one nationwide.

the only thing I would add to the OPs canvassing is start looking for nearby fruit and nut trees and mark them out on your maps. I’m talking about the neglected overgrown pear tree or raspberry shrub or the black walnut hanging over the road, that no one ever even notices is still there.
 
FPrice said:
Another option, you could give up and join the psychopaths. They may be recruiting.

It appears that you have developed an elaborate (not to mention invested a lot of money) scheme to survive but are focusing on the "heavily armed serial killing psychopaths" and wnat a way to stay put and defeat them. By yourself. With a wife. And 2 very young children.

Are you sure that ALL of this is real?
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He's one of the what if crowd. He has this elaborate scheme in his head. He wants to see what people are going to tell him on here. IF he was truly concerned about his family he would move away from all big city's. This is just a fantasy in his head.
 
safetyfirst2025 said:
Yeah, that’s where I’m at as well.

Haven’t pulled the trigger on the razor wire fencing yet but might.

Unbought items on my list:
If anyone wants info on faraday bags and EMP cloth and home and vehicle protection devices, this guy is a NASA PhD and has some great info: https://youtube.com/user/disasterprepper
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You're way too deep down the rabbit hole imho. That's a big budget for a family with two young kids. Unless you're very successful there have to be far better ways to scratch that prepping itch right now.

There's a tremendous amount of doom porn out there and I understand how seductive it can be. The reality is the full SHTF WROL scenario you're planning for is very, very unlikely. My honest advice is you should dial it back a bit. Start by planning for a 30 day power outage. That is something that is well within almost any homeowner's reach. Also, you can buy useful Russian Gen 1 night vision on Amazon now for a little over a hundred bucks.

A word about EMPs. A nuclear EMP attack would definitely affect the power grid to some extent for the simple reason the grid is composed of very long conductors (wires). The voltage induced in a conductor subjected to an EMP is a linear function of the length of the conductor. So, with long wires you can get big induced voltages. But with something like a cell phone? Unless you are right under the burst, and possibly not even then, your cell phone will be undamaged as the voltages induced within the cell phone will be very, very small. Same with cars. Most cars and electronic devices would still work following an EMP attack.

Also, with an EMP distance from the burst is your friend as the field strength of the EMP is governed by an inverse square law and falls rapidly with distance to the burst. So...double the distance, one quarter the field strength. EMPs are not the invincible boogeyman they are sometimes made out to be.

Last but not least, unless you lighten up your wife will likely eventually leave you.
 
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safetyfirst2025 said:
Not sure I’d call what I’m worried about a “fantasy”. If that’s your idea of what comes after a SHTF scenario you haven’t thought seriously about it.
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The Mad Max scenario you imagine is a very, very low probability event. You will drive yourself nuts trying to plan for it in Framingham and also spend a ton of money on stuff that will eventually go to the dump.

In any case it's impossible for one rifleman to defend a suburban house in the scenario you imagine. If you're serious about this you need to think more about deception and concealment than an active defense.
 
Since you liked my comment above here are a few suggestions.

Try and improvise some kind of hidden space. e.g. in my house I have a staircase with nothing under it that could easily be converted to a small hidden room.

Think in terms of making your house look looted and dead. Blackout curtains. Also, sufficient black paint and a water gun you can use to make your house look burned with smoke stains above the windows. Same with the front door, which you want to leave open a foot - with a containment box behind it built with the hundred bucks worth of lumber you bought ahead of time.

Also, silent weapons. You want lots of options for taking out lone intruders that don't make any noise. Here's one idea, which will probably get me on the big list. A 22LR bullet drilled out and packed with easily obtainable ********* ********. [Sorry, chickened out].

Finally, all around vision. I'm far from being an expert on this but you need to know what's around you at all times. I'll leave you to figure that one out.
 
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