BREAKING: Ruger to Stop Selling Semis in California?

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Part of the problem with the CA list is there is also a $500 fee to test the pistol. The pistol has to pass the test before it can be put on the list. To add to the insanity every variation that is to be sold has to be tested. So a compact 9 will have to be tested as will the full sized version. Then the 40 will have to be tested. On top of that if the trigger group is different or if the slide is a different color it has to be tested. That's $500 per pistol.

I'm not familiar with Ruger semi autos so I'm going to use Smith and Wesson as an example. SW will have to pay to test the MP9 full size and then pay again and have to the compact tested. Then the 40 and 45 have to be tested both in full size and compact. Want to sell a long slide 9 for competition? Well need to pay and submit that for testing. I don't know how many pistols have to be tested in each version but they are supplied at the company's expense so CA isn't even buying them.
 

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I won't lie. I'm going to say 9 because I don't think it will be 10/10 every time. Plus you need to identify and encourage the outliers (they do exist), not alienate them. There is just too much stereotyping and generalizations on both sides of the fence. That was my only point.

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Also, there are people in Mass that think they are supposed to be a liberal/Dem because they're in Mass and that's how it is. My wife was one of them. Until I started questioning her on issues.
 
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Part of the problem with the CA list is there is also a $500 fee to test the pistol. The pistol has to pass the test before it can be put on the list. To add to the insanity every variation that is to be sold has to be tested. So a compact 9 will have to be tested as will the full sized version. Then the 40 will have to be tested. On top of that if the trigger group is different or if the slide is a different color it has to be tested. That's $500 per pistol.

I'm not familiar with Ruger semi autos so I'm going to use Smith and Wesson as an example. SW will have to pay to test the MP9 full size and then pay again and have to the compact tested. Then the 40 and 45 have to be tested both in full size and compact. Want to sell a long slide 9 for competition? Well need to pay and submit that for testing. I don't know how many pistols have to be tested in each version but they are supplied at the company's expense so CA isn't even buying them.

thats still a relatively small fee that would be recouped in a handful of sales of each firearm in my opinion

I am sure much more of the cost comes from having to prepare and present all the different CA compliant products

still doesn't make much sense to me why, from a business standpoint they wouldn't pick their best selling 3 in CA and stick with it
 

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Part of the problem with the CA list is there is also a $500 fee to test the pistol. The pistol has to pass the test before it can be put on the list. To add to the insanity every variation that is to be sold has to be tested. So a compact 9 will have to be tested as will the full sized version. Then the 40 will have to be tested. On top of that if the trigger group is different or if the slide is a different color it has to be tested. That's $500 per pistol.

I'm not familiar with Ruger semi autos so I'm going to use Smith and Wesson as an example. SW will have to pay to test the MP9 full size and then pay again and have to the compact tested. Then the 40 and 45 have to be tested both in full size and compact. Want to sell a long slide 9 for competition? Well need to pay and submit that for testing. I don't know how many pistols have to be tested in each version but they are supplied at the company's expense so CA isn't even buying them.

Your numbers are wrong, it's a lot more expensive than that to test a handgun (I used to run a product safety test lab, different product but same idea), which is done by an independent test lab. The annual fee ($200 has been mentioned) is a "license fee" if you will paid annually in CA to keep the gun on their list (MA does not do this). It's been a few years since I read their regs, but IIRC it was 4 or 5 sample guns destructively tested + 1 given to CA DOJ to keep "on file" as a sample.


Is the Kalifornia fee $500/year or $200/year? I have read both.

Google for their regs or cruise over to Calguns.com and you should find the real number. My guess is it's probably closer to $200/gun model per year.
 
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I forget the exact numbers, I remember seeing the $500 used a lot. I thought they used more than 1 pistol. I can see where it doesn't make much sense to keep giving money and guns to the state of KA though.
 

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that's still a relatively small fee that would be recouped in a handful of sales of each firearm in my opinion

I am sure much more of the cost comes from having to prepare and present all the different CA compliant products

still doesn't make much sense to me why, from a business standpoint they wouldn't pick their best selling 3 in CA and stick with it
Exactly right... which proves (at least to me) that there is a lot more going on here than just a simple economic decision.
 
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Exactly right... which proves (at least to me) that there is a lot more going on here than just a simple economic decision.

If it were strictly an economic reason, it would probably make more sense to at least re-certify their top 10-15-20 selling models and let the rest drop off the list.
 
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So will we get to see if any other manufacturers make a similar announcement?

This is a great decision, but it's also a disastrous one for CA gun owners.

If other manufacturers do follow suit, the CA Assembly will have been successful in banning/prohibiting any new sales of semi-automatic handguns.

You can bet gun grabbers in other states will be paying close attention to this situation as much as we will.
 
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California gun owners now have their harm and damages. A widely popular line of firearms have been effectively banned from the state. I see CGF (and SAF perhaps?) filing a lawsuit and pushing it to the USSC if needed. Ruger could get involved as well, if they wanted.
 

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I would LOVE to know your wife's definition.
I you told that I would ask her and here it is:

A liberal has a lot of different facets, just as a conservative does. There is no one definition politically, as a person can have liberal views in one area (I would call you a social liberal, for example) and conservative views in another (you are more of a fiscal conservative). On the whole, "liberal" means someone who does not feel constrained by traditional or orthodox views, someone who is free from bigotry, someone who tends to favor ideas of reform or favors progress, someone who is tolerant of other ideas. Everything else that people say liberals "are" is just putting their own opinion on it. Many people are in favor of reform in one area but not in another. Conservatives tend to resist change, they like to keep "traditional" laws or ideas in place - this is why they tend to place great importance on what the founding fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution. Many of the great changes in our country, which virtually all people support now, were once "liberal" ideas. Giving women the right to vote was liberal, outlawing slavery was liberal, etc. So it's important for all people to remember that all liberal ideas are not bad, and all conservative ideas are not bad. Both sides believe in things that are important to helping this country succeed. And putting a label on people or ideas only hinders the process. My ideas on gun control are partially liberal - I think the laws in many states should be changed - and partially conservative - I don't think making ALL gun laws tougher is the answer to violence. Anyone who talks about "liberals" or "conservatives" in blanket terms is just showing a lack of understanding and intelligence, in my opinion.
 

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How is this any different than magpul leaving Colorado?? Or maybe BCM not selling to police?

Is this not the same? Ruger not wanting to be a part of that shit hole? Good for them. I love Ruger.
 

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Unfortunately, Liberals in America today tend to lean towards socialism (communism). You should note the "large L" liberal I used. Not implying your wife has these leanings.
 
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