Breaking News - David Ortiz shot during attempted robbery

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Ridiculous statements such as this are not helping the cause. People that are not forum members read this stuff and then categorize gun owners as a bunch of hateful nuts. Not caring about someone’s “misery/suffering” because the have a different opinion than yours seems rather narrow minded to say the least.
Be careful with that "its just an opinion" thing. The application or use of that statement makes my skin crawl sometimes. It's fine when you're talking about shit
that doesn't really matter, not quite so much with human rights.

I dunno about ortiz's anti stuff (and I'm not going to go there, as I suspect its typical low grade ignorant celeb stuff) but there comes a point where, with some antis, it MIGHT more than simply a "difference of opinion. " Some of these people are actively working to f*** us out of our rights. I'm not saying someone like Ortiz is responsible (because I bet he's mostly hot air about it/ignorant) but say we were talking about Bloomberg here instead of Ortiz. That guy has ACTUALLY DONE STUFF to HARM gun owners and anyone in this country that wants to own a gun. That becomes more than just a "difference of opinion". This ain't like a disagreement about what color the new public school is going to be painted here. I just think people need to be careful with that verbiage, because by using it you can potentially give cover to tyrants without even realizing you're doing it.

The other problem is perspective. To some being an anti is a difference of opinion. To some of us, as far as I'm concerned for example, anyone who is a "mover" in anti
hierarchy, as far as I'm concerned, that person is a piece of garbage no different than a politician who wants to legalize child molestation, as far as I'm concerned the person is morally repugnant on that same kind of level. Antis with power (particularly legislators and political hack types like Bloomberg) ACTUALLY try to do shit that compromises peoples human rights. Those people want to take our shit away and kill us, in case you haven't forgotten.

It is understandable, given that reality, why some folks like new guy are suspicious of antis at any level, because even low level antis they act as useful idiots to people who are actively trying to f*** us over.

Any possible reasoning with an anti gun person takes a huge step backwards with attitudes such as this. If someone actually does feel this sort of hate keep it to yourself or your immediate circle. Posting it for all to see is just not cool.
I think it's not a "good look" but not insofar as worrying about "flipping antis" who are a lost cause anyways. I would be more concerned about how it looks to people I call "wonkies and indifferent. " Being callous to a revered sports figure isn't "friendly" to those people. Then again we have a ton of gun owners everywhere who don't give a shit, and if we can't make them concerned, then what good are we? I think it might be prudent to focus/worry on our "own house" rather than worrying about the minority on the far left. The wonkies/undecideds are the ones that often actually decide things.

-Mike
 

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Ummm... has anyone ever won an argument on an internet forum? Aren't each of you entitled to your own line of thinking?

If you choose to piss your life away trying to convince someone on a web forum to think differently, well good luck.

Personally I don't care what either of you think when it turns into nonsense like this...

:-(

Here, try this.

Ridiculous statements where you’re lamenting the plight of this pro-illegal immigrant, anti 2A celebrity millionaire are not helping the pro gun, pro liberty causes. Gun owners that are not forum members read this stuff and then categorize NES members as a bunch of pink hat wearing fanboys willing to toss their ideals for historical sports figures. Shedding tears over this guy’s “misery/suffering” seems rather narrow minded to say the least.

Any possible reasoning with a pro-2A person takes a huge step backwards with attitudes such as this. If someone actually does feel this sort of emotion keep it to yourself or your immediate circle. Posting it for all to see is just not cool.
 

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If this was a hit it will be interesting to see how the guy who ordered it is impacted. That’s a small half-island and Ortiz is apparently one of its most beloved public figures.
 
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I'm still undefeated over the course of my internet arguing career. According to my spreadsheet I'm now 2-0-1,765.
Great record but no argument won here. I am simply pointing out that posting “he deserves misery/suffering” because of different political views to me is childish and inappropriate. I have no interest in arguing, you think he should suffer because of his political views, so be it. I on the other hand believe that when someone is fighting for their life after a brutal attack it’s time to put politics aside.
 

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Great record but no argument won here. I am simply pointing out that posting “he deserves misery/suffering” because of different political views to me is childish and inappropriate. I have no interest in arguing, you think he should suffer because of his political views, so be it. I on the other hand believe that when someone is fighting for their life after a brutal attack it’s time to put politics aside.
You’re making that up. I didn’t say he deserves it, I said I’m not losing any sleep over it.

Sorry you don’t deem my post appropriate. I’ll try to do better next time.
 

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For everyone breathlessly keeping track of my opinion about Ortiz, I’ve just now concluded an extensive, multi-minute research effort into Sr. Ortiz’ political activism and have determined that there’s nothing glaring on the first few pages of google results that indicates he’s my ideological enemy. Sure he’s made a few comments about immigration that could go either way, but for the most part he has intentionally (and admirably) avoided political topics. And so I’d like to officially declare that I will be losing sleep over his situation until he fully recovers, or until further research justifies the resumption of my indifference.
 
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For everyone breathlessly keeping track of my opinion about Ortiz, I’ve just now concluded an extensive, multi-minute research effort into Sr. Ortiz’ political activism and have determined that there’s nothing glaring on the first few pages of google results that indicates he’s my ideological enemy. Sure he’s made a few comments about immigration that could go either way, but for the most part he has intentionally (and admirably) avoided political topics. And so I’d like to officially declare that I will be losing sleep over his situation until he fully recovers, or until further research justifies the resumption of my indifference.
Flip-flopper! [laugh]
 
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For everyone breathlessly keeping track of my opinion about Ortiz, I’ve just now concluded an extensive, multi-minute research effort into Sr. Ortiz’ political activism and have determined that there’s nothing glaring on the first few pages of google results that indicates he’s my ideological enemy. Sure he’s made a few comments about immigration that could go either way, but for the most part he has intentionally (and admirably) avoided political topics. And so I’d like to officially declare that I will be losing sleep over his situation until he fully recovers, or until further research justifies the resumption of my indifference.
Fair enough. To be honest I never knew what his political leanings were, so I give you credit for doing that research. I don’t know if getting shot in the back is going to do much for making him pro gun.

But who knows. Maybe he will decide he needs to protect himself if he ever goes back to the DR, which he probably will. But at the very least with his resources you can bet he will have an ARMED body guard.
 

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Suspected Shooter ... in a truck waiting to be brought to holding cell but they are concerned that the dozen or so people already in holding cell might kill him.
If this was a hit ...

For everyone breathlessly keeping track of my opinion about Ortiz, ... I’d like to officially declare that I will be losing sleep over his situation until he fully recovers, or until further research justifies the resumption of my indifference.
Flip-flopper! [laugh]
 

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I read one article talking about how he’s made a conscious effort to stay out of politics. He gets credit for that. Hopefully he sticks with it and doesn’t sign up to be the new face of gun control.
I feel that a lot of famous people that stay out of politics actually lean right, but they wouldn't get any sweet Dunkin Donuts commercial deals if they let their opinion known. A lot of immigrants come here and love this country.
 

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Great thread. If David was a gun guy, he'd be laughing with us. . . and at us. . . from his hospital bed. ROFL
 

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If Channel 5 is right, he almost immediately went to an OR at MGH for more surgery. They called it "exploratory", but I'd say the correct term is "revision." Which is where surgeons go in to fix something that was missed or done incorrectly.

His chance of survival went up exponentially by coming to the US.

The MGH is very experienced at handling high profile patients. Not only medically experienced, but experienced at handling PR and keeping people out.
Yah....More like correcting what stellar medicine from a $hole country can't even comprehend. Remember this one when we will talk about socialist healthcare again. Implement it and you will have nowhere to go!
 

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Five people are now under arrestincluding the suspected gunman

Oliver Moisés Mirabal Acosta, who was captured Tuesday night in the town of Mao in the northern Dominican Republic, was driving a grey Hyundai Accent before mounting the bike driven by 25-year-old Eddy Vladimir Feliz García, the document said.

The document also said the two men were seen on security camera footage talking with other people in the Accent and another Hyundai in a nearby street before the shooting at 9:20 p.m. on Sunday.

“In one of the videos it was possible to observe both the accused and the shooter planning the commission of the incident right on Octavio Mejía Ricard Street, which is parallel to the place where the event took place,” prosecutors said.

A total of five people are now under arrest – including the suspected gunman – in the Dominican Republic in connection with the shooting.
 

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Suspects offered $8K for hit on David Ortiz, alleged shooter in custody

A group of crooks were offered $8,000 to kill former Red Sox star David Ortiz in the Dominican Republic — and the alleged gunman is now in custody, local authorities announced Wednesday.

At a press conference, authorities said they’ve now detained five people allegedly involved in the attempted slaying at a Santo Domingo nightclub Sunday, including accused shooter Rolfy Ferreyra Cruz — also known as “Sandy.”

The alleged coordinator of the hit was also among those in custody, and police are still searching for a sixth suspect, authorities said.

Authorities said the hitmen were offered $400,000 Dominican pesos to kill the baseball star — or $7,832 USD.

Almonte declined to offer a motive for the hit.
 

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I would say the shooter and his partner have more to worry about from whoever hired them than the police or courts.
They screwed up and got caught.
Dead men tell no tales.
 

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This is what the local coppers are saying the shooter used. Some sort of BHP or clone, I think?

And... that uniform. Damn.
 

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Five people are now under arrestincluding the suspected gunman

Oliver Moisés Mirabal Acosta, who was captured Tuesday night in the town of Mao in the northern Dominican Republic, was driving a grey Hyundai Accent before mounting the bike driven by 25-year-old Eddy Vladimir Feliz García, the document said.

The document also said the two men were seen on security camera footage talking with other people in the Accent and another Hyundai in a nearby street before the shooting at 9:20 p.m. on Sunday.

“In one of the videos it was possible to observe both the accused and the shooter planning the commission of the incident right on Octavio Mejía Ricard Street, which is parallel to the place where the event took place,” prosecutors said.

A total of five people are now under arrest – including the suspected gunman – in the Dominican Republic in connection with the shooting.
It's the DR. Everyone has an Accent. ;)
 
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