Brady says Massachusetts is 3rd worst

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Brady Campaign to Ban Guns issued an annual survey of state laws and ranks Massachusetts high (meaning closest to their utopia).

They have a completely arbitrary points system and, iirc, MA got 51 pts (of 100). It's all silly, and I had a hard time focussing because it was so annoying. One can "mouse-over" a map and see different states' scores. I sure wish we had a "2", like one I saw.

What stood out for me, is that MA got points for "Lost or Stollen" gun laws. Did that actually pass on Beacon Hill?
 
http://www.bradycampaign.org/

This is laughable. VT scores an 8 out of 100. Do you know how many firearms homicides VT had in 2009? Care to guess? 0!! That is right 0!!
700,000 people live in VT and they had no firearm homicides in a single year. The premise that the Brady Camp is to end "Gun Violence" is a joke. VT apparently did that in 2009 (ended gun violence) and were still accessed a score of 8 out of 100!!!

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=11756843
 
Well, if you look up the specific scorecards, you can see how they "grade the states".

My favorite BS point-stat is the one about hi-cap mags.

They have 2 ratings under that category; allowing >10-round and 15-round mags.

Mass scored points for not allowing >10-round mags, but scored no points for not allowing 15-round mags.

Umm, if a state doesn't allow 10-rounders, doesn't it logically follow that they do not allow 15? The whole campaign is an insult to anyone with 1/2 a brain-cell. Or maybe even 1/4.
 
This other thread (Police gun owners say state firearm laws are tough-enough) discusses the survey, also.

I was alerted via an e-mail, and didn't see a thread the refered to the Brady Campaign. Nevertheless, the other thread seems to have devolved into (well deserved) Rosenthal bashing.

I did get the Massachusetts Brady score wrong, thought the 3rd ranking is correct.

Do we have a "Lost or Stollen" gun law? When did it pass?
 
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Why wory about what they say since they don't use fact or logic when they say it and nothing short of starving their funds will prevent them from sprouting and spouting more drivel!
 
The point value for bad>10 is higher than ban>15, so it's already incorporated. It's a logical fallacy to assume that the highest possible score is the sum total of answers to all questions, since some of the boxes exist in an either/or relationship with other boxes.
 
Do we have a "Lost or Stollen" gun law?

Yes.

M.G.L. c.140 s.129c

A seller shall, within seven days, report all such transfers to the executive director of the criminal history systems board according to the provisions set forth in section one hundred and twenty-eight A, and in the case of loss, theft or recovery of any firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun, a similar report shall be made forthwith to both the executive director of the criminal history systems board and the licensing authority in the city or town where the owner resides. Failure to so report shall be cause for suspension or permanent revocation of such person’s firearm identification card or license to carry firearms, or both, and shall be punished by a fine of not less than $200 nor more than $1,000 for a first offense and by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $5,000 for a second offense.
 
The point value for bad>10 is higher than ban>15, so it's already incorporated. It's a logical fallacy to assume that the highest possible score is the sum total of answers to all questions, since some of the boxes exist in an either/or relationship with other boxes.

I went back and looked through it again.

You are correct, my bad.
 
And we say the Taliban are fanatics!?!? You can't believe anything the Brady organization says as they skew everything to look as they want it, just read this thread andhow they came up with the scoring system. A bunch of looneys!!
 
Does anyone have copies of the reports from previous years? I've been crunching some numbers and one thing I notice from last year to this is that the standard seems to change. The majority of states lost points in the " GUNS IN PUBLIC PLACES AND LOCAL CONTROL" event and I'm trying to figure out why. I think it might have something to do with preemption.

BTW - if the Brady Center is to be believed, we're winning. The average state score fell from 17.66 to 17.02 and the Median went from 10.5 to 9.5.
 
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Thanks Kevlar for the law cite.

There is a question. If one were to misplace a properly triggerlocked gun somewhere around one's home, wouldn't the prudent thing be to fill out the report?

If one then finds it, is that a "recovery" that has to be reported? Or can it not be a recovery because it was, as well as can be determined, not actually a loss at all.

Massachusetts laws can be so difficult to follow to the letter.

Btw, if one of those boating accidents that we hear about happens, they are reported as "lost or stollen" yes?

Then there the guy who goies huning out of state. And loses his gun. Does MA law require the filing of this report for an out of state incident?
 
The premise that the Brady Camp is to end "Gun Violence" is a joke. VT apparently did that in 2009 (ended gun violence) and were still accessed a score of 8 out of 100!!!

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"He's already pulled over! He can't pull over any farther!"
 
Just invert all the scores for the true ranking of states FOR gun-ownership.

I.E...California scores 21 points. Grade F

Mass scores 49 points. Grade F

Vermont scores 92 points. Grade A

Utah scores 100 points. Grade A+

That is how arbitrary the numbers truly are. You can spin them any way you like, if it will suit your purpose.
 
It all depends on what you wish to measure.

Changes of getting an unrestricted LTC? MA is actually better than many other states that have LTCs on the books but issue only to persons of power, privilege and influence. (in practice, MA belongs at the top or bottom depending on what town you live in)

Places you can carry if you have an unrestricted LTC? MA is near the top as most of the shall-issue states have a laundry list of prohibited areas and some have binding signage laws.

Lack of due process established by court precedent allowing heresay, innuendo and rumor to deprive someone of their rights? MA is clearly the worst state.

What you can buy? MA is near the bottom on rifles, and pretty close to the bottom on handguns.
 
Well, I can give MA points on one thing. If you do get an ALP in MA, it is valid almost anywhere. You can carry in a bar, restaurant, etc. In other states the ALP may be easier, but no matter what the permit, you can't carry in many places.
 
I would say the same for CT...Its not truly "Shall Issue" here but its not anything like NJ/NY/Cali in terms of carrying..We can carry almost anywhere except the State Capitol and K-12 schools and casino..if we did not have the stupid AWB it really would not be "that bad"...
 
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