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Botham Jean's neighbor, a key witness in Amber Guyger trial, shot to death in Dallas

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Looks like they arrested 3 people for it

Arrest made in murder of witness in Amber Guyger murder trial

Three suspects have been identified in the murder of Joshua Brown, a key witness in the murder trial of former Dallas police officer Amber Guyger.

Jacquerious Mitchell, 20; Michael Mitchell, 32; and Thaddeous Green, 22, traveled from Alexandria, Louisiana, to purchase drugs from Brown, according to authorities.


Jacquerious Mitchell is in custody and the other two are being sought, Dallas Assistant Police Chief Avery Moore said at a news conference Tuesday.

Thaddeous Charles Green is accused of shooting Brown two times, Moore said. On the night of the shooting, Green had a conversation with Brown that escalated into an argument.

Brown, 28, was found lying on the ground in an apartment parking lot with multiple gunshot wounds, two days after Guyger was convicted of murder.

Brown's slaying occurred less than six miles from the apartment complex where Jean was fatally shot by Guyger on Sept. 6, 2018. Brown, who was killed Friday, testified in Guyger’s murder trial about the September 2018 night that she fatally shot Botham Jean, who was his neighbor.

Brown had lived across the hall from Jean, 26, at the Southside Flats apartment building in Dallas.

Guyger, who lived a floor below Jean, testified she mistakenly entered his apartment instead of her own.

She was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

I'm not exactly convinced. Sure, druggie types do tend to get shot and all. Although, they picked this timing? Really? And, they drive 5 hours away to buy drugs? 10 hour round trip? Don't they have a local guy or something? Maybe they were paid to do this.
 
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His testimony will still be admitted from the criminal trial in the civil trials - he has become an unavailable witness. No one would benefit from killing him on the PD end.
No one? Oh I would say the next 5-10 officers who misbehave in front of witnesses may benefit.

Even if this murder had nothing to do with the original.
 

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I'm not exactly convinced. Sure, druggie types do tend to get shot and all. Although, they picked this timing? Really? And, they drive 5 hours away to buy drugs? 10 hour round trip? Don't they have a local guy or something? Maybe they were paid to do this.
It's healthy to be skeptical.

Also, willingness to travel is probably a function of what they were getting, and how much. If you're looking for enough for the weekend, it's not worth the road trip; if you're getting enough to turn a profit, maybe? Further, what "drug" could play a part. You can probably get pot anywhere, but if they were looking for something less common it might mean casting a wider net, especially if they're picky on type/quality.
 
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I'm not exactly convinced. Sure, druggie types do tend to get shot and all. Although, they picked this timing? Really? And, they drive 5 hours away to buy drugs? 10 hour round trip? Don't they have a local guy or something? Maybe they were paid to do this.
Four hour drive to get quality product? Sounds right. Depends on how dry their local market is. In my younger days, I knew people who went to upstate Maine and NH to buy from professional hydro grow ops. Now, all you have to do is drive to INSA in Easthampton.
 

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I’ve seen a lot of people on facebook post things like “people would never travel from Louisiana to Texas for drugs.” However, people drive nearly cross country via the major US highways with drugs smuggled in vehicles in different manners. Do I think he could have been dealing out of a small one bedroom apartment without being tracked by police? Highly unlikely. And given the massive stash discovered in his apartment he most likely would have been dealing at the old apartment complex; moreover, there had to have been knowledge of those deals from witnesses and/or locals of both respective areas.

I do not think LEO were involved in either event I think this is a job from different actors, be they connected to Guyger somehow with interest in her walking or politically motivated to stir up the pot prior to the election year.
 

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... Do I think he could have been dealing out of a small one bedroom apartment without being tracked by police? Highly unlikely. And given the massive stash discovered in his apartment he most likely would have been dealing at the old apartment complex; moreover, there had to have been knowledge of those deals from witnesses and/or locals of both respective areas.

I do not think LEO were involved in either event I think this is a job from different actors, be they connected to Guyger somehow with interest in her walking or politically motivated to stir up the pot prior to the election year.
If the neighbor was such an obvious drug dealer that
the homicide detectives couldn't have helped but discover it,
that really underscores how crappy Guyger's defense team was
that they didn't find some way to impeach his testimony.

Were the lead homicide investigators Dallas PD or Texas Rangers?
The former would had had an inherent incentive
to disclose marginally mitigating evidence to the defense.
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BTW, imagine being a drug dealer living in an upscale apartment complex,
and having Dallas PD knock on your door while canvassing the building
for witnesses to an unexpected major crime across the hall.

That hallway must have made the Watertown bomber manhunt
look like a Girl Scout cookie drive, by comparison.

How do you not shelter-in-place with the shades drawn and lights off
for days on end to avoid opening the door and getting questioned?

Dallas PD must have gone nuts tossing the murder scene,
including using every kind of sniffer dog there is,
to try and generate mitigating evidence.
Imagine the dogs pulling the handlers
to the apartment door across the hall?

The neighbor would be taking a risk getting caught on security cameras
even carrying a suspicious package (his stash) out of the building.
 

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If the neighbor was such an obvious drug dealer that
the homicide detectives couldn't have helped but discover it,
that really underscores how crappy Guyger's defense team was
that they didn't find some way to impeach his testimony.

Were the lead homicide investigators Dallas PD or Texas Rangers?
The former would had had an inherent incentive
to disclose marginally mitigating evidence to the defense.
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BTW, imagine being a drug dealer living in an upscale apartment complex,
and having Dallas PD knock on your door while canvassing the building
for witnesses to an unexpected major crime across the hall.

That hallway must have made the Watertown bomber manhunt
look like a Girl Scout cookie drive, by comparison.

How do you not shelter-in-place with the shades drawn and lights off
for days on end to avoid opening the door and getting questioned?

Dallas PD must have gone nuts tossing the murder scene,
including using every kind of sniffer dog there is,
to try and generate mitigating evidence.
Imagine the dogs pulling the handlers
to the apartment door across the hall?

The neighbor would be taking a risk getting caught on security cameras
even carrying a suspicious package (his stash) out of the building.
I agree with your first point...Dallas PD would most likely have their hands full and not in the spur of the moment knock on an unrelated apt. unit door because they smelled something out of the ordinary.

Since I'm not an expert but still an aspiring detective hopefully at some point in my life I would have to say there must be a distinction between dogs used for drug detection versus homicide evidence detection...but there SHOULD be at least some overlap in dogs that are used for both tasks. Dogs which would be able to do both would save the given police department money in training and could be more versatile and are therefore an asset to those PD units. That being said, the increased police presence would most certainly deter drug dealing activity as you have stated. And the fact that this guy was a witness and testified would have further deterred his drug dealing buddies from continuing doing business with him...you would think. All I know is there are a lot of angles here to explore and air out because this thing stinks to high heaven.
 
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I agree with your first point...Dallas PD would most likely have their hands full and not in the spur of the moment knock on an unrelated apt. unit door because they smelled something out of the ordinary.
If you watch the same police procedural TV shows I have,
some detective is always telling the beat cops
to finish festooning the crime scene tape then
start knocking on doors two minutes after they roll up.

Since I'm not an expert but still an aspiring detective hopefully at some point in my life I would have to say there must be a distinction between dogs used for drug detection versus homicide evidence detection...but there SHOULD be at least some overlap in dogs that are used for both tasks. Dogs which would be able to do both would save the given police department money in training and could be more versatile and are therefore an asset to those PD units.
Oh, they've got different dogs for drugs, explosives, and cadavers.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it was even more subdivided than that.

But if a policewoman has a bad shoot,
they're going to surge all their resources
to try and make the best of a bad situation.
(Or at least not get caught with their pants down
for failing to investigate thoroughly).


That being said, the increased police presence would most certainly deter drug dealing activity as you have stated. And the fact that this guy was a witness and testified would have further deterred his drug dealing buddies from continuing doing business with him...you would think.
It's not even the in-apartment dealing.
Maybe the guy never ever dealt out of his apartment.
(Which would be particularly prudent in a fancy complex).

But if you answer the door to a cop looking for witnesses,
like as not he wants to talk to you inside the apartment.

Heck, it's objectively good practice in this instance
even if the cop's not looking for leverage over
someone not eager to cooperate:
The hallway must have been utter chaos,
and you really don't want to lead the witness's account
based on what they see during the interview.

(Especially since you don't want a litigator cratering
their testimony in court with "did you really witness that,
or are you just conflating what you really heard
with what you saw after the police arrived?").


It's the rare person who can smoothly move the interview
into the hallway (and lock the door behind them)
without raising suspicions a notch.

I saw a traffic stop video scant days ago
where a guy (a contractor) was pulled over for
Driving While White in the 'Hood.
He was outside of his car, and screaming correct legalese
at the cop's partner to GTFO of searching his passenger compartment.
He had a gun in clear view on the back seat (legally),
and they were claiming (bogusly)
that they had to secure it for Terry Stop purposes
even though it was completely out of reach.
All the drama could have been precluded if only
the dope had either had a blanket thrown over the gun,
and/or locked the damned car door when they told him to exit.


Even if there aren't drugs strewn all over the place,
the slightest evidence of personal-use paraphernalia
in plain view won't go unnoticed.
(Let alone an electronic scale or jumbo box of baggies).

All I know is there are a lot of angles here to explore and air out because this thing stinks to high heaven.
Even though I've been watching YoutUbe Sopranos excerpts of late,
it's a pretty tough sell that some colleague of Guyger
arranged a 3rd party hit on a witness after the trial.
Either to somehow try and muddy the waters during appeals,
or as payback for helping get her convicted.

Now if the neighbor was selling drugs,
and had a sizeable stash in his apartment on consignment
which he had to flush because he was afraid he was going to get searched...

It's the easiest thing in the world to imagine
him getting killed for losing the drugs.
 
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If you watch the same police procedural TV shows I have,
some detective is always telling the beat cops
to finish festooning the crime scene tape then
start knocking on doors two minutes after they roll up.


Oh, they've got different dogs for drugs, explosives, and cadavers.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it was even more subdivided than that.

But if a policewoman has a bad shoot,
they're going to surge all their resources
to try and make the best of a bad situation.
(Or at least not get caught with their pants down
for failing to investigate thoroughly).



It's not even the in-apartment dealing.
Maybe the guy never ever dealt out of his apartment.
(Which would be particularly prudent in a fancy complex).

But if you answer the door to a cop looking for witnesses,
like as not he wants to talk to you inside the apartment.

Heck, it's objectively good practice in this instance
even if the cop's not looking for leverage over
someone not eager to cooperate:
The hallway must have been utter chaos,
and you really don't want to lead the witness's account
based on what they see during the interview.

(Especially since you don't want a litigator cratering
their testimony in court with "did you really witness that,
or are you just conflating what you really heard
with what you saw after the police arrived?").


It's the rare person who can smoothly move the interview
into the hallway (and lock the door behind them)
without raising suspicions a notch.

I saw a traffic stop video scant days ago
where a guy (a contractor) was pulled over for
Driving While White in the 'Hood.
He was outside of his car, and screaming correct legalese
at the cop's partner to GTFO of searching his passenger compartment.
He had a gun in clear view on the back seat (legally),
and they were claiming (bogusly)
that they had to secure it for Terry Stop purposes
even though it was completely out of reach.
All the drama could have been precluded if only
the dope had either had a blanket thrown over the gun,
and/or locked the damned car door when they told him to exit.


Even if there aren't drugs strewn all over the place,
the slightest evidence of personal-use paraphernalia
in plain view won't go unnoticed.
(Let alone an electronic scale or jumbo box of baggies).


Even though I've been watching YoutUbe Sopranos excerpts of late,
it's a pretty tough sell that some colleague of Guyger
arranged a 3rd party hit on a witness after the trial.
Either to somehow try and muddy the waters during appeals,
or as payback for helping get her convicted.

Now if the neighbor was selling drugs,
and had a sizeable stash in his apartment on consignment
which he had to flush because he was afraid he was going to get searched...

It's the easiest thing in the world to imagine
him getting killed for losing the drugs.
Yeah maybe I was getting a little over-imaginative. It seems like drugs and solely drugs had to do with this outcome. I'm glad I am getting my Masters degree in Physics and do not have to deal with seedy drug dealers. Lol.
 
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After 2 fatal shootings in that apartment complex in such a short period, the real question is "How many U-Haul vans are pulling up there right now...?"
Brown wasn't shot to death in the same apartment complex where he (and Amber Guyger and Botham Jean) lived. He was killed in a different complex, about 12 miles away. Numerous sources, mostly on social media, have incorrectly reported that it was the same apartment complex.
 

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Brown wasn't shot to death in the same apartment complex where he (and Amber Guyger and Botham Jean) lived. He was killed in a different complex, about 12 miles away. Numerous sources, mostly on social media, have incorrectly reported that it was the same apartment complex.
Thanks for the update. It's important.
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