Boston Herald "arming teachers" poll

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The poll seems designed to split the "yes" vote, with "yes" and "only if trained" options and only one "no" choice. "No" (58%) is beating even the combined totals of the other two at this point so vote early and often, like you were a community organizer....

The article is worth reading for Jim Wallace's words of wisdom to the press even if you don't do the poll. He has been fantastic when talking to the press over the last week and a half.

Gun group head wary of arming teachers
 
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I am disappointed by what Jim Wallace said (more in the above linked article):

“Teachers have an awful lot to do. They should focus on education,” said Jim Wallace, executive director of Gun Owners Action League. “I think there’s a lot of people who could help, if they’re serious about hardening school security. There are retired law enforcement officers, some retired military who would be happy to provide their expertise.”

Enough of this only ‘only trained professionals can defend in active shooter scenarios’ talk. Even a CCW teacher may not be trained for seek-and-destroy missions when SHTF, as a human being, he still has every right to defend his life (and his students) using a firearm, when cowering behind cover/concealment, waiting for the dreaded sight of an armed perp entering the classroom.

Repeal all GFSZA laws. It’s the only way.
 

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Have to have a twatter account?

And I, also, am a little disappointed by Jim's statement. If a teacher wants to carry and receive active shooter training, I am all for it. Jim's statements sort of echo the "we don't need self help" theory prevalent in MA, and that just saddens me.
 
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Not liking Wallace’s stance at all.

I think the answer is to hire armed and trained teachers to replace at least 10% of teachers who can’t handle a firearm on the job.
A minority set aside affirmative action program.

But that is a gradual shift , and it will be met with moonbat screaming and kicking.
 
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Not liking Wallace’s stance at all.

I think the answer is to hire armed and trained teachers to replace at least 10% of teachers who can’t handle a firearm on the job.
A minority set aside affirmative action program.

But that is a gradual shift , and it will be met with moonbat screaming and kicking.
There will be no shift.
 

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Not about to sign up for Twitter. They should leave it to professionals..... like the Resource Officer that RAN AWAY!!!!!
 
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If a teacher wants to CC at school I don't have a problem with that, but any expectation that a teacher SHOULD carry is just ridiculous. I really don't want to see the headline of either a teacher leaving their gun unattended in a purse, not engaging an active shooter and being ostracized, or not being trained to engage an active shooter and shooting the wrong person.
 

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Everybody saying arming teachers,but 95% of teachers are Soros come gargling Liberals hell bent of turning this country into their idea of a Socialist paradise..These teachers want your guns taken away and will refuse to carry a gun,much less kill someone with it.

Put a State Trooper on "detail" at every single school in MA,if we can afford to pay them top sleep in their car on a freeway for 8 hours,we can pay them to stay awake at a school.
 
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I think teachers should have the right to carry firearms while at work. I do not think they should be forced into being security too. Hire security. Have the team or teams train for the layout of that building or campus. The teachers should have firearms if they want to as a last resort in the event a potential shooter should make it through or past security. But the choice should be theirs to make.

Like your home security is a multi-stage process. Quickly listed, motions lights, alarm or dog signs in the yard or on windows, shrubbery around the house, locks dogs and guns. One is ok.....but more of these in place work as a deterrent.

If a coward shooter sees an armed security detail or team most likely they change their mind or pick a different target. But if they are bold enough there are layers of security starting with locked doors, id to get in outside the bell, armed security, armed teachers....so a layered affect.

What is so difficult to understand here? Fort me, nothing. Dead children push the anti's agenda of disarming America.

But school shootings or shootings in any "gun free" zone are the perfect example of what will continue to happen or happen on a much larger scale if 2A is infringed or abolished.

Exercising our constitutional rights is a choice. Nobody should be forced to exercise these rights or not. But do not infringe on another.
 

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Let the teachers choose if they want to carry or not. I prefer armed officers and also I prefer parents return to parenting and teachers to teaching. Spend the money to upgrade the schools and have plans. If they don’t know where to find the money then they should crack down on welfare and food stamp fraud. I’m sure they will find a few million dollars here and there.
I grew up in a society that no longer exists unfortunately
 

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Dammit, why is carrying as a teacher ANY different than me carrying as an IT guy?

I keep telling people the same thing. Why does a "teacher" need more specialized training than anyone else with a CC permit?
They say it like a teacher isn't good enough unless they have special training.


I also did not vote because I'm not setting up a stupid twitter account.
 

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As soon as the issue was framed as "arming teachers," we lost the debate.

I agree, in part. I’m not going so far as to say “we lost”, but the MSM’s script of “to arm or not arm teachers” is definitely aligned to the anti-gunners’ agenda.

Setting aside the mental health vs. gun issue, or the failure of authorities to act/prevent vs. gun issue we need to assume the most dangerous course of action: a bad guy with a gun/knife/bomb will find his way onto school grounds.

From there the discussion is, “ok, now what?”

We have an opportunity to shift the narrative’s focus back where it belongs: to defend or not defend the students. That’s ultimately what it comes down to. And the best defense, as some have already mentioned, is one that is multi-faceted/layered, but most importantly able to counter/deter an active shooter with equal, or better still, overwhelming force. This means multiple designated, trained and qualified armed defenders, both overt and covert, on school grounds. A consistent core augmented by a rotating armed cadre proportional to size of school from the ranks of teachers, coaches, admin staff, janitors, volunteer parents, volunteer veterans, police details, national guard details, etc would at best deter attacks like the most recent one in Florida altogether, and at worst provide an adequate active defense against an active shooter.

Anything less than that are half-measures that will ultimately result in an “unprotected (aka gun-free) zone”. And society will have no one but itself to blame when the next uncontested shooting happens in one of our schools.

“But how could this happen?! We banned those guns!! We said no more standard capacity magazines!! We had signs put up clearly marking this a gun-free zone!! We enacted more laws to do away with the archaic thinking and intent of our forefathers and their stupid Constitution!!”

Criminals don’t care. Mentally ill people don’t care/understand. They don’t play by your rules. Guns, bullets, bombs, knives don’t disappear into thin air because you held a peace rally or staged a walk-out protest or screamed down an opposing viewpoint on television.

The only thing we can control is our own actions. Do we choose to adequately defend our schools and children, or not?
 

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“Teachers have an awful lot to do. They should focus on education,” said Jim Wallace, executive director of Gun Owners Action League. “I think there’s a lot of people who could help, if they’re serious about hardening school security. There are retired law enforcement officers, some retired military who would be happy to provide their expertise.”

I don't like what Jim said at all. This isn't about arming random teachers, this is about letting those teachers who want to carry, because they are gun people, carry. This is also one layer of security. Just because we have a few random good teachers carrying guns doesn't mean the problem is solved. There should be multiple layers of protection at schools.
 

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Jim Wallace this comment is pure bullshit ! GOAL should be for 2A period ! Give no more ground ! Maybe it's time for someone else to take over GOAL Jim is not HELPING ! I am seriously thinking about stopping donations to GOAL, and just move it to Comm2A.

“Teachers have an awful lot to do. They should focus on education,” said Jim Wallace, executive director of Gun Owners Action League. “I think there’s a lot of people who could help, if they’re serious about hardening school security. There are retired law enforcement officers, some retired military who would be happy to provide their expertise.”
 

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Dammit, why is carrying as a teacher ANY different than me carrying as an IT guy?

We IT guys are a minor annoyance on a good day. The news would forget about us too fast and the public would probably side with the shooter anyway. No fame in taking out the MS Exchange or AWS DevOps group. :(

I'd say teachers have more reason to carry than we do.
 

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We IT guys are a minor annoyance on a good day. The news would forget about us too fast and the public would probably side with the shooter anyway. No fame in taking out the MS Exchange or AWS DevOps group. :(

I'd say teachers have more reason to carry than we do.

Honestly, in some cases, taking out the devops group might prompt some cheering. :D
 

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Wow, just wow. NOBODY is talking about "arming teachers" as in "make the teachers carry firearms". Nobody. It's a trap that the other side is setting for us, let's not fall into it.
 

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I did some substitute teaching years ago. It was pretty much the only time I didn't have my Glock concealed on my hip. Just plain stupid that I spent time at a school involuntarily disarmed. If there had been any armed intruder, I would have been basically defenseless, thanks to inane gun free zone laws.
 
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I have known a lot of teachers. I would have no problem with many of them carrying in schools.

However, let's be candid. There's a large number of teachers who I know where I honestly wonder how they manage to get home every night without having their names and addresses pinned to the outside of their clothing.
 
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My wife works with Head Start and at a meeting a few weeks ago before the last shooting they were talking about safety and the active shooter topic came up.

3 of the 6 teachers in the school said they should be allowed to carry the guns they already carry everywhere else. 2 of the non-licensed teachers agreed and the last was surprised to find she was the only one that's afraid of guns.

My point is Jim should ask teachers if they would like to be able to protect themselves before answering for them. I'm not talking about the teachers the news or Baker picks to talk to and not on camera where they fear for their jobs if they offend a loudmouth self-righteous parent.
 
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