Actually no, the sane people among us never expected water into wine. We just expected a lot more sane approach than McCain/Palin offered. It's always fun on these forums when 99.9% of the people are of similar political persuasion to use the Ad Hom/straw man fallacy, but it is, nevertheless, a logical fallacy. I certainly never expected to agree with Obama on everything. Gun control in particular. It's always an issue I knew I would have to fight over. I don't like some of the directions of Federal bailout monies. Then again, I didn't like the ones proposed by Bush, and I didn't see any of you chuckleheads raising Hell about the Medicare prescription drug benefit which added 1 trillion dollars a year to unfunded Federal mandates. What we DID NOT want to see was an uneducated ignorant buffoon as VP to a 72 year-old Pres with a history of heart trouble and a President who's great thoughts on the current struggle for more freedom in Iran is more bellicose GW Bush B.S. which will hand Khameinei a giant stick with which to beat the opposition. If you ACTUALLY care about the middle east, instead of being a shill for Likud, or you ACTUALLY give a rat's ass about democracy happening (in whatever limited way it works out) in a keystone state in the ME, then prudence would dictate to keep your f***ing mouth shut and not hand the hardliners a reason to shut down the opposition because they are agents of "The great Satan." It's exactly this kind of shit that makes me glad I voted for the other guy. One person is serious, the other one is more concerned about scoring political points than furthering the giant progress we may see in Iran. Gun control I can fight. Foreign policy decisions that get made in the course of hours is not something I can fight. **Waits for the anonymous neg-reps**
Though I completely disagree with you and believe that you are either woefully uninformed, or suffering from cognitive dissonance, you won't get any neg reps from me.
I only give positive reps because I believe that giving neg reps to a person who honestly expressed their opinion is a way of punishing that person for their beliefs, and
that is a form of censorship which violates our Constitutional tenets of freedom of speech. So too is banning a person from a message board such as the so-called "Democratic" Underground site.
There is nothing "democratic" about that site, nothing. Its loyal membership consists of nothing but non thinking,
feeeeling driven, raving lunatics who are so indoctrinated with radical left dogma that they are incapable of realizing that they have become total fascists.
They do not welcome opposing views no matter how well and how polite those views are presented. They do not welcome any challenge to their radical left opinions or agenda. To call themselves and their site "democratic" is hilarious in its hypocrisy. But then, it is to be expected from a group of useful idiots who have been told "what" to think, rather than "how" to think.
One of them signed onto this site a short while back and during a debate I asked him to give me a simple example of a basic syllogism. Not only could he not provide it, I don't believe he even knew what a syllogism was.
I blame our alleged educational system for this. I believe that from grade 1, children should not only be taught reading, writing and arithmetic, but just as important, they need to be taught "how" to think (for themselves). To teach children how to think requires that they also receive an education in the basics of logic, and it should be continued to be taught straight through to grade 12.
Only then will our children learn that their thoughts are not controlled by how they feel, but rather, how they feel is controlled by "how they think!"
Unfortunately, the complete dimwits on DU were denied this basic tool of self preservation and they turned out in droves to vote for a fraud, a usurper, a violator of our Constitution and a man and his party who are in the process of destroying our Constitutional freedoms and our nation. Why did they do that? Because like you, they voted their feelings, not their minds.
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