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Boston Building Permits...Do I need One?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Broccoli Iglesias, Apr 24, 2018.

  1. Broccoli Iglesias

    Broccoli Iglesias NES Member

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    What I am doing:
    I am having a Mason do a stone facade on an interior wall.

    No walls will be removed.
    No walls will be added.
    We will not add any electrical.
    We will not add any plumbing.

    We will just cover a wall with stone.

    I asked a guy that has been building houses since the 70s and pretty much built half the south shore. He said he would do it, but he doesnt do a lot of work in Boston so he is not sure if I need a permit.

    Can someone give me a hand with this?

    Before someone says "dont get a permit" ... it is not me that wants it. This guy has a company and wants to do things right.
     

  2. Palladin

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    I wouldn't because it's a facade, not a structural improvement....it's one step up from painting. but, if you'd like:

    How to get a short-form permit
     
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    I’m in agreement here. Don’t need a permit for interior design...... YET!
     
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    You are adding a lot of weight on a small footprint , check dead weight per sq.ft ratings on your floor.

    And have your guy investigate permits. From parking to area staging, materials storage ect, Boston is permit heavy.

    Eta: if you pull the permit , you own all the job.
     
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    LOL, I know a town building inspector who would probably make you get an engineering review for that...if you pulled a permit.
     
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    I had a building inspector walk into my house when I had a guy replastering walls.The inspector tried shutting it down not knowing that I was in the house. I told him he could shove the permit and if he didn't leave I was going to have him arrested for B&E. He left, the contractor finished the job.
     
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    Broccoli Iglesias NES Member

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    Yes, weight is a concern. He will come in and take a look. However, it would be around 350lbs in stone + materials over an 8' wide area. I could always go with fake stone and the entire thing would weight under 100lbs. But, I am not too convinced on that look. I got samples from several places and I still like the look of real stone better.
     
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    Thanks for all the info.
     
  9. Olympus Racing

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    I recentlt saw a fireplace covered with fake stone. It was absolutely amazing. Even touching it and looking at it from close I couldn’t tell it was fake stone.
    Maybe research a bit more, you may find something you like better.
     
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    Maybe I need to order a full panel. The 6 samples I have are all 6"×6" and I dont think it makes it any justice, specially because they are cut in the middle so I cant see what an end piece looks like.

    Its amazing how light and easy to cut they are.

    Does anyone have a recommendation for a good company I should check out or maybe a local place that sells panels?
     
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    Its considered a "wall finish" material project.

    No permit us required.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    would love to see a before and after of the job...if you dont mind...I love stone walls and looking forward to your outcome..good luck
     
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    Sure. It will be a while, the guy is very busy, so, assuming he can start soon it will be at least a month. But I will post pics.
     
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    While the Mass State Building Code does not require a permit for this type of work the city of Boston may have some review requirement, and the added weight may be the reason. Call and ask them, if he is licensed he should know where to ask. Me, I would worry about parking.
     
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    What happened to all the tough guys that are not afraid to add a 2 floor 2000 sq ft addition with 3 bathrooms and a kitchen without pulling permits? Do they have the day off?
     
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    Dude...dont call them. This thread has good info so far. And at the end of the day, it is the builders call. If I had the tools and knowledge myself, I would just do it.
     
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    I have a fake stone facade on my fireplace, and a real stone hearth and mantle. U cant tell. You'd have to stand real close and flood it with a ton of light to notice
     
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    After not being able to find anyone, and getting a new position that allowed me to work from home (therefore I had more time after work), I decided to do the work myself.

    Here are the before and after. I tried to take them from the same angle.

    I used Air Stone. Awesome product thet can be found at Lowes.

    And Loctite PL for cement.

    BEFORE: bad lighting, but you get the idea.
    20190601_155724.jpg

    AFTER:

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    Mixed 2 colors, and each came with 4 shades, so it was a PITA to get them to look random. If I ever do it again I will go with one color. Took me around 12 hours working a couple of hours every night.

    I need to change the light switch and thermostat color to something nicer than white.
     
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    FWIW, I'm impressed. Very nice work.
     
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    looks good. I was going to do that on one of my walls but ended up moving. I was pretty sure I was going to use real stone, but I do admit there are some seriously good faux stone products out there.

    I have a friend in NJ that has a large wall covered in the fake stuff and I had to touch it to be sure it wasn't real.
     
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    Waterbeds are heavier than that. You don’t need a permit
     
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    Air Stone is real stone. It is made with recycled materials and is very porus, so it weights a lot less than the natural stone you can buy. Weighs something like 70% less.

    Air Stone gets stacked piece by piece, just like brick. Besides the weight, the other advantage is that it comes with finished edges for corners. Going around a corner with this stuff looks great. It is full of pictures online.

    I took these pics a while ago when I bought a couple of boxes as samples to see if I liked them. Notice the edges for corners:

    20190310_173247.jpg 20190310_173022.jpg 20190310_173015.jpg 20190310_173336.jpg

    It is very easy to cut. With a hacksaw, it takes around 1 minute. With a masonry blade on a saw, it is effortless.

    I was too lazy to go get my saw from my parents barn where I was using for a project, so I used a hacksaw. Overall I had to make 20-25 cuts. I didnt even use a special blade, I used the metal blade that came with the saw. It looks fine and cut fine.
     
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    Keep in mind, if an inspector happens to drive by and see a contractor there unloading etc., he can walk in and see what is going on. He may fly off the handle if you are doing work that requires a permit and you don't have one in the window.

    They have that right by law.

    It happened to me at a member's house. Inspector was going to another house and went in when he saw the tile guy in front of the house.
     
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    No warrant no entry....can stuff it right up there butt.
     
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    Half of NES members are heavier than that.
    Oh - and the job is done.

    Nice Job!
     
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    Didn’t read anything but the post
    OF COURSE YOU NEED A PERMIT !!!!
    What kind of question is that !!!!!
     
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    A building inspector has no legal right to enter without permission of the owner, if it is a tenant then the tenants permission, see Camara vs city of San Fransisco.
     

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